Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by igotta40, Nov 16, 2022.
Alot lost their bipods, but the were still 16 pounds then.
I watch WW2 Pathe' and other vids of combat on Youtube and the BAR appears very controllable.
Good sights, too.
(Disclaimer: I never deliberately fired anything full auto, though I have had mag dumps from faulty mechanics. Just reporting what I read.)
The model of BAR used in The Sand Pebbles was the original M1918. That has the semi- and full-auto settings, so it can be fired in single shots. However, it does fire from the open bolt, so the accuracy is less than that of a gun firing from the closed bolt. (The new Ohio Ordnance Works semi-only M1918A3 fires from the closed bolt.)
No, you're thinking of the Cutts Compensator, which was optional on the early commercial Thompsons, and standard on the military M1928A1. Nobody filed notches on the barrel itself.
Most of the time I preferred it unless it was being set up on the tripod.
No, I'm thinking of what appears on page 266 of Hatcher's Notebook. You're thinking of the section on that very page about the Cutts Compensator for the BAR, but mention of the muzzle filing appears in the paragraph just before that section, and with respect to the BAR.
However, I still recall that filing of the muzzle of the Thompson occurred as well , but I cannot mine for a reference on that. Muzzle filing to reduce muzzle climb is a good "field expedient" to reducing upwards recoil of all firearms, auto or semiauto notwithstanding, and was probably a matter of general knowledge at the time.
It has been kind of "formalized" in the use of Magnaporting even in handguns. I have a .357 Taurus that's Magnaported, and it works for its intended purpose very well, but the resulting noise and flash are increased a lot. I'd hate to use that gun while dark-adapted because it will limit your vision for a few (perhaps critical) seconds.
Whether they were notches or flats, if they entered into the bore so a little extra part of the emerging gas would go upward, they would work. A guy named Ike Newton advertised that concept a long time ago. =D
In the tv show Wanted Dead or Alive he used a 44/40 mares leg but the shells in his belt were 45/70.
I also got to play with the Browning BAR while I was stationed at Ft Devens. And yes it can definitely be fired from the shoulder on auto. Same goes with the M60 too. Yes they are heavy to be shooting from the shoulder but it can be done.
I spent most of the time as lower enlisted (E1-E4) with the M60 being my primary issued weapon. I weighted between 128 and 125 at that time at 5'10" tall. So I was a very skinny person. And I had no issues handling the M60 or BAR.
One has to remember that the BAR, M60 and other squad/general purpose machine guns are designed for area target suppression. In other words, to keep the enemies heads down.
PS: I sure do miss range days while at Ft Devens. We had all kinds of neat stuff in the arms room and would get to shoot them all on said range days.
Never say nobody. Someone somewhere may have done a field modification. I have seen a very few foreign submachine guns with notches cut in the muzzle end by the factory to serve as recoil compensation but so far I have seen no photos of Thompsons with notches actually cut in the barrel.
M14/M15 was definitely too light for full auto even in 7.62 x51. I remember the hoopla about the New M14 wonder rifle replacing the M1 Garand, the Thompson, the M3 grease gun, the M1 and M2 Carbines, the 1911A1 pistol, and presumably the trench style shotgun. M14 is a nice semiauto battle rifle, but man was it oversold.
I remember the THE SAND PEBBLES, saw it as a kid on its theatrical run. Great movie, and it starred the guy who saved the world from THE BLOB.
That seems to have been a commonly-held opinion. My late father-in-law was a U.S. Army sergeant in the North African theater. He was initially armed with a Thompson but switched it for a Garand as soon as he got the chance. According to him, the Thompson didn't have the range required.
The BAR was the preferred weapon of Clyde Barrow.
Barrow loved the BAR - Ford V8s _ Colt 1911s - and Bonnie of course.
I went through BCT at Fort Dix in the Summer of 1967, at the rifle range to show us that the M-14 didn't kick one of the cadre would fire it full auto from his rotch-and his chin. They used tracers so you could tell they weren't faking it.
Quite right. The original 1918 model had a two position selector, semi and full auto. It's receiver was made from forged high quality steel. The later WW II model featured low and high rates of automatic fire. The receivers on these guns were "Arma-steel which was a combination of iron and lower grade steel, with hardened steel inserts in the critical stress areas. The rate reducers on these guns sometimes gave trouble and the bipods were not very popular.
I have met a half dozen or so BAR men during my time working for the R.I.A. Museum I believe they were all Korean War Vets. To a man, they all told me they never used the high rate. A couple of them told me they wished the gun had been made with a semi-auto / low rate full auto selector.
It is a little known fact that not all BARs were chambered in 30-06. The Swedish government manufactured some under license and these were in 6.5X55 caliber. We had one of these in the museum before it was closed for renovation.
That might have had something to do with ammunition consumption, and overheating. Remember that one of the limiting factors of the BAR is the 20-round magazine, and when the barrel overheats, which it easily does, there's no way to quickly change it.
There was actually a proposal within the Army, after WW1, to issue the BAR in a semiautomatic-only version. This proposal didn't get anywhere because of the development of the M1 Garand, which was obviously superior as a semiautomatic.The BAR got a new lease on life for WW2 simply because the U.S. didn't have anything better for the light machine gun role. A Bren, not to mention the German MG 34 or 42, would have been miles better.
The new OOW M1918A3 should not be overlooked simply because it's semiautomatic. Too bad these babies will cost you $4,000 apiece.
I can live with it.
Came to post this.
The really took "automatic RIFLE" seriously on that one.
oops...I posted the same picture twice...
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