wild cat mccane
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I honestly would like to hear someone says what gun has a worse feeling grip than the 22/45. The grip, to me, feels like gripping a deck of cards; thin and weird.
Browning Buck Mark Hunter vs. Ruger 22/45?
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MaterDei
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I have them both. I suggest you go and handle them both. The grips are very different so one is bound to fit you better than the other. Buy that one.
I have big hands and the Buckmark fits like a glove, the 22/45, not so much.
Good luck
I have big hands and the Buckmark fits like a glove, the 22/45, not so much.
Good luck
I have large hands and find that the 22/45 fits me just fine. If the 22/45 grip feels like a "deck of cards," then I suppose a 1911's grip would feel the same to you?
I'm using a fatter 1911 grip on one of my 22/45s. Has a thumb rest, kind of like the Woodsman.
I'm of the opinion that a great deal of the fretting and whining about grip angle, etc. is psychosomatic.
I'm using a fatter 1911 grip on one of my 22/45s. Has a thumb rest, kind of like the Woodsman.
I'm of the opinion that a great deal of the fretting and whining about grip angle, etc. is psychosomatic.
Ever wonder why there are so many aftermarket accurizing parts for Ruger and few for Buckmark? Could it be because the Buckmark is already better out if the box? Own a 5.5 Field for many years. NEVER any problems, big or small and a tack driver.
wickedsprint
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Nah, I never wonder about it, because I know the answer. It's because so few people have any interest in Buckmarks. It really is just as simple as that!
Not sure if supply or demand driven, but Buckmarks seem to be a lot harder to find.
loose noose
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Sure wish I could find a Ruger MKIII 22/45 with 5.5" barrel. I've been told they have a 4-5 month manufacturers delay for some reason.
I got the Ruger 22/45 with the replaceable grip . I got it last Feb and runned about 350 rds of Winchester Super X and Remington thunderbolt , all went with no hitch except for a few misfires attributed to the ammo. At 20 yrds on sandbag it was averaging like 1 -1.5 inch groups. That is good enough for me. Only thing i need is an extra third mag . I see Rugershop has them and all factory new comes with the 20 percent discount on all accessories. So, that s a big plus for me.
Jlr2267
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Had both and sold the Ruger. Basically, what others here have said here is also true for me. The BM feels better and has a better trigger. The Ruger I had was a fine pistol and was less particular about ammo. It would eat anything, even Thunderbolts...come to think of it, that pistol never jammed on me once and I even tried to choke it on purpose.
Only bad thing I can say on the BM is that the top 2 screws holding the sightbase WILL loosen up if not threadlocked, and you will start to have FTF's.
Only bad thing I can say on the BM is that the top 2 screws holding the sightbase WILL loosen up if not threadlocked, and you will start to have FTF's.
Kynoch
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For Steel Challenge it's 35 yards. Local matches can be a bit further. The targeting is fairly simple and it's hit or miss. The competition is timed though and a misfeed or a FTF can be very costly.
The need for extreme reliability is why I don't go with an S&W M41. The are superb pistols but they are simply not as reliable as the Rugers. I know competitors have have given their meticulously maintained/shooting only good ammo M41's a try before switching to a Ruger.
Kynoch
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Why the FTFs? Does the base movement actually impede the pistol from cycling?
Does Loctite fix the problem once and for all?
Kynoch
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Very true. Buck Marks aren't a big deal around here. It's all Ruger and S&W.
Kynoch
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For me? The Ruger MK I-III.
mdauben
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Are you locked into the 22/45 frame? I know a lot of people think the 22/45 grip angle is better, but some people (like me) actually find the regular Mk III grip angle preferable for one-hand, bulls-eye target practice. In the end, of course, it comes down to which feels best in your hand; Buckmark, 22/45 or Mk III.
If you decide to look at the regular Mk III, the Competition model has a longer, 6 7/8 inch barrel and very nice iron target sights. It also comes with thumb-rest, target grips. I've got somewhat large hands and they fit me just fine. Admittedly, the trigger can be improved, but swapping the stock trigger from one from Vorquesen or KIDD is a kitchen table mod.
PGT
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Kidd makes a MkIII trigger?
Kynoch
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Are you locked into the 22/45 frame? I know a lot of people think the 22/45 grip angle is better, but some people (like me) actually find the regular Mk III grip angle preferable for one-hand, bulls-eye target practice. In the end, of course, it comes down to which feels best in your hand; Buckmark, 22/45 or Mk III.
If you decide to look at the regular Mk III, the Competition model has a longer, 6 7/8 inch barrel and very nice iron target sights. It also comes with thumb-rest, target grips. I've got somewhat large hands and they fit me just fine. Admittedly, the trigger can be improved, but swapping the stock trigger from one from Vorquesen or KIDD is a kitchen table mod.
I have a MKII and I don't care for it. I would like something that felt a bit "larger" in my hands.
I have to agree that the 22/45 MkIII with the molded grip panels integrated into the frame felt too thin right to left. Not "palm filling" with all the pressure on the front and the back.
I bought mine before there was a removable panel version and I followed others lead on grinding off the raised checkered area and installed 1911 grip bushings and grips.
This made the grip feel much better in my hands and IMO it looks better too.
I have also removed the mag disconnect (which improved the trigger and allows mags to drop free) and replaced the LCI with a filler panel.
Maybe I should have given the standard MkIII a chance but it looked weird to my novice eye back then. Now I might prefer it to the 22/45...I don't know, I've never held one for the fear that I might buy one.
Buckmark vs Ruger is like Ford vs Chevy. They'll both get the job done. The Ruger has a clear advantage when it comes to aftermarket goodies and usually has better availability. New features like the threaded barrel versions equal more variations on the Ruger side.
Satasaurus
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I've wanted a Ruger Mark III forever, so I would go with that personally, but probably whichever fits your hand better and or looks cooler to you. I've heard really good things about both, but the Ruger just looks awesome to me.
If you've never seen one, how can one claim a better trigger?? Don't you have to shoot one to know, let alone see it. I've shot 1 Buckmark, so granted my experience is limited, but it's trigger was not any better than my Mark III or I.
Granted, that monster custom grip would certainly fit some hands better. I dare say, you can find a larger custom grip for a Ruger Mark I, II, or III that fits your hand better for about or less than the $75 price differential.
I don't know about these competitions, I mounted reflex sites on both my Rugers, far better site radius than even a rifle.
http://www.woodgrips.com/ruger_mkiii.htm
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=ruger+mark+grips
from mild to wild, lots of grip options out there for less than $75
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mdauben
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D'oh! You're right, they don't. I've been looking into trigger mods for my 10/22 and just threw it in there without thinking.
I have a Buckmark and my brother has 2-3 Rugers. we both prefer the Browning because of the feel in your hand and the trigger. The Rugers are good shooters and I would be happy to own them. My brother plans to keep his Rugers.
Jlr2267
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The slide is actually held in place by the sight base. When it loosens up, you will start seeing firing pin marks just barely catching the edge of the rim, and eventually FTF's. Yes threadlock will cure it if you let it set up for 24 hours or so. I don't even strip mine now, just clean the accessible areas, swab the bore and put it away. Runs like a champ.
Kynoch
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"Better" sight radius? "Better" = LONGER and if your Ruger pistols have longer sight radius than your guns they're either illegal (too short of a barrel) or someone is playing a joke on you and they moved the sights together.
The Browning seems to have far more advantages for me in addition to better grips:
* Longer sight radius.
* Larger physical size (I have big hands.)
* All metal construction.
* Easier field strip.
* Fiber optic sights.
* Ready to go should I want to mount a red dot.
* Better trigger.
Kynoch, I believe you mis understood.
I have a reflex sight on my rugers. It's like a scope, it does not rely on the barrel length for sight radius. I have it zeroed in at 12 yards. I put the 3 MOA dot on the target that's where the bullet goes. Reflex is a red dot that does not have a barrel. easier to see off angle. OK so yeah technically it doesn't have a site radius anymore or it's infinite.
A Mark III is ALL metal, well the stock grips are plastic, unless you get the wood option. I provided links to aftermarket wood grips of multiple sizes that, were cheaper than $75 and will fill most any large hands. I bet one can find grips even bigger than the Buck Mark if wanted.
My Mark III trigger breaks at 2 lbs. I haven't even gone in to polish or smooth anything. My Mark I breaks at just over 1 lbs. but it has countless trigger pulls and it's broken in quite well, so well I may need to FIX it soon.
I have a reflex sight on my rugers. It's like a scope, it does not rely on the barrel length for sight radius. I have it zeroed in at 12 yards. I put the 3 MOA dot on the target that's where the bullet goes. Reflex is a red dot that does not have a barrel. easier to see off angle. OK so yeah technically it doesn't have a site radius anymore or it's infinite.
A Mark III is ALL metal, well the stock grips are plastic, unless you get the wood option. I provided links to aftermarket wood grips of multiple sizes that, were cheaper than $75 and will fill most any large hands. I bet one can find grips even bigger than the Buck Mark if wanted.
My Mark III trigger breaks at 2 lbs. I haven't even gone in to polish or smooth anything. My Mark I breaks at just over 1 lbs. but it has countless trigger pulls and it's broken in quite well, so well I may need to FIX it soon.
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