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Browning Buckmark - Can't Open Slide With Hammer Uncocked?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by gvf, May 8, 2011.

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  1. gvf

    gvf Member

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    I have the Buckmark Camper. I'm an older man with skinny and somewhat stiff hands and can't open slide though range worker I asked could. Hammer spring must be wickedly strong? That it? When I shoot my 1911, I used to cock it first before opening slide - then it slowly became easier. But this has internal hammer.

    Anyone know of any tips for this. Gun is new. Once it breaks in I think it will be really nice (couple of loading failures my first and only time shooting). But it won't be much good if I have to ask someone to open the slide all the time. Can't budge it on my own.

    Thanks.

    (Anyone know of a Buckmark or Browning Pistol forum?)
     
  2. withdrawn34

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    If I drop the hammer on an empty chamber (or otherwise) on my MK III and try to manually pull back, it is quite heavy and stiff indeed. It's easy as pie if it's cycled itself, though, or the hammer is otherwise already cocked.

    It seemed impossible the first few times, and I'm not sure if it's because I'm used to applying more force in those situations, or because it has loosened up, but I'm able to do it more easily now. It is still surprisingly heavy, but it's not a big deal anymore.

    May I ask in what situation do you need to manually pull back the slide with the hammer uncocked? I find I very rarely need to do that on my MK III - only when I take the weapon apart, which isn't often (darn MK III dis/reassembly).
     
  3. gvf

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    I had to first time I shot it for a couple of stove-pipes. That didn't happen today with CCI Stinger. I plan to avoid having to open the slide when hammer is down in every way possible until the gun breaks in from shooting more. I also got some nitrile gloves from Home Depot to get a better grip if I do have to do that. Haven't tried them yet. And that is FINE as my hands ache right now

    - thanks for helpful info!
     
  4. HOWARD J

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    I use Sears mechanics gloves--fabric with leather on thumb & some fingers.
    Helps alot ----kel-tec P3-AT gives me a hard time.
    When you pull the slide on the Buckmark--make sure your fingers are on the slide only---on this gun it is easy to be pulling on the slide & part of the gun frame at the same time.
    Good luck
     
  5. jhansman

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    I have no such problem with my Buckmark. Head over to the Browning forum at Rimfire Central and see what the knowledgeable folks there have to say.
     
  6. rcmodel

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    Take it apart and put a dab of grease on the hammer / slide interface surfaces.
    Also oil the slide rails.
    It likely came out of the box with only preservative oil in & on it, not proper lubrication.

    I'm reasonably sure the addition of grease to the cocking surfaces, and more shooting will make it work much easier.

    rc
     
  7. 45Fan

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    What rcmodel says has been my experience with my buckmark. Keeping it clean and well lubricated will work wonders for cycling the slide.
     
  8. gvf

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    Thanks to RCMODEL for the practical tip on dab of grease and to all!
     
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    I would keep one of those rubber jar openers handy because it would help to grip the slide better.
    It's just a thin piece of rubber.
     
  10. gvf

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    I greased the hammer slide interfaces - or what looked like that area from diagrams - and have the nitrile gloves for gripping. That should help as shooting will and just leaving hammer cocked as much as I can.

    If these don't work: three or four years as a Navy Seal to strengthen upper body muscles should do it.
     
  11. mister2

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    Just saw this.

    The Buck Mark has a very heavy mainspring, and when new, the corner angle of the slide rail that pushes against the hammer makes racking the slide difficult. It certainly is heavy compared to other 22lr pistols in various formats; such as, the S&W 22a, Bersa Thunder or 1911 conversion units.

    In addition to earlier suggestions on lubrication, the solutions follow from the above observations:

    1. Round the corner on the slide rail, and
    2. Use a reduced power (lower rate) mainspring

    Unless you're familiar with BM takedown, this might best be done by a qualified 'smith.

    Or, just shoot the heck out of it and have fun loosening it up!

    Good luck,
    MR2
     
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    There is another fix for the hard to cycle slide. An alternative slide is available for the Buckmark models that have the slides with serrations but nothing else to grab on the back of the slide. The alternative slide has a "T" bob on the back of it, so there is something to stop your fingers from slipping off the slide while trying to pull it back. Evidently this alternative slide comes installed on some of their guns that cost more than the Camper model that we purchased.

    My wife can't rack her Buckmark slide herself because her gun has the slide that only has the serrations. The very stiff spring combined with the skinny slide make it extremely difficult for her to rack when the firing pin isn't cocked. I probably will buy this different slide for her so I won't have to stop what I'm doing and go over and rack her slide for her when a failure to fire occurs. I've found it for around $80.00 on line. I wish I had known about this before we bought our Buckmark Camper. I would have spent a little more for a gun with the different slide already installed. Oh Well...
     
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    BTW

    when you reassemble your gun, use a small dab of theadlocker. Those hex screws WILL back out.

    I also leave the proper size hex wrench in the range bag
     
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    Check slide and hammer for wear especially where they impact each other.
     
  16. gvf

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    Where exactly would that wear show?
     
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    gb,

    Great idea and I like the aesthetics better on your version!

    I was thinking with the right washers under that round head hex, it would be possible to "tune" the height of the bolt head for optimum racking.

    Thanks,
    MR2
     
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    THe only way I was able to solve the problem was to sell my Buck Mark. I thought the problem was only with my gun.
     
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    Lots of good advise and ideas already. I've got a bit of griptape stuck on either side of the rear of my slide. Mine is not and never was excessively hard to pull, but the tape gives a bit better purchase, is super cheap, and completely undoable.

    Not really a close up of it, but you can see it in this pic:
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    Naw, that's not my idea, just passing along the info. Credit goes to cstuard on rimfirecentral. I do think your idea of adding washer to achieve optimum performance is excellent.

    Speaking of rimfirecentral, gvf here's a link to a forum you asked for in your original post:
    http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=17

    You might want to contact rusty22 there about his BMT (Buckmark Maintenance Tool):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U-PYQ-M4PQ
    http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306229

    Magoo, that's a nice BM. Are those some of rusty22's grip adapters there?

    Regards,
    Greg
     
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    Thanks everyone - very helpful replies! I got a pair of nitrile gloves which really help. Then just shooting it will loosen the spring a bit. On a good-hand day, I can open it with Atlas-effort with no gloves. I also keep it cocked whenever possible.

    Love the gun. I'll put up with the inconvenience as it wears in - and the grip-tape sounds like a good idea. I imagine Home Depot or some such place would have it.

    (I used one side of velcro tape for awhile on the back of my Colt Detective for better grip. Like glue, but kind of prickly.)


    Thanks all again!
     
  24. Magoo

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    Yep, those sre Rusty's 1911 panel adapters. His mag release too. He makes good stuff :).

    And yes, I got the griptape at Lowe's. It's "Shurtape" brand and I don't know how long the roll is, but a lifetime supply was less than $10. For that matter, if you PM me your address I'll send you an 11-inch strip or two gratis. It's a bit too grippy for my tastes, so I just rub it with something round and hard like a screwdriver handle 'til I get the balance of grippy vs. no bleeding I want.
     
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    Thanks! very nice of you, the grip-tape strips - but I have a Lowes close by, I'll get a roll - sounds handy for a lot of uses - (including a few people I know. ha, ha)
     
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