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Browning Hi Power in a 9mm world

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Rival, Jun 21, 2004.

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  1. Rival

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    How does BHP fare comparing to other modern full size designs such as Beretta 92, CZ-75, SiG 226, Glock 17, HK USP, Walther P99? Is it morally old and outdated construction wise, or it still can hold its own ground?
    Does anybody have some of these handguns so they can compare them side by side?
     
  2. Wildalaska

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    I have a BHP, a SIG 228, a walther P99 and an HK P7...i have at one time or another owned every quality 9mm pistol ever made..

    The BHP is number 1, timeless, accurate, elegant and sturdy.

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  3. natedog

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    Think of it as the 1911 of the Wondernine world.

    The BHP (specifically, the updated MKIII version) is single action. It SHOULD have a really nice trigger, but it has a (eaily removed) magazine disconnect, which fouls it up some. Not as nice as a 1911 trigger, but much better than a Glock, DA/SA, or DAO. The magazine disconnect prevents the gun from being fired without the magazine in place. What the BHP is best known for is ergonomics. For me, it fits my hand like no other. It is a double stack handgun, with 13 round magazines standard, and with 14, 15, even 17 round magazines (that don't protrude from the grip, save for a small part that's hid with a bumper pad). It is one of the thinnest double stacks around, making it easier to carry IWB. All steel, so it's heavier than aluminum or plastic framed guns, but it's not too bad at 32 oz. The newer MKIII version has bigger, bolder sights and extended safety, making it pretty much ready for "serious" work right out of the box. Some people may be bit by the hammer, but it's easily fixed by shaving down the spur slightly. My favorite handgun, and I haven't even shot it yet :D. (Soon, very very soon).

    For the real BHP resource center, check out www.hipowersandhandguns.com. Mr. Camp is the online god of Hi-Powers.
     
  4. Zak Smith

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    The BHP is the smallest, easiest to carry "full-size" 9x19 you'll find. It is thin and has a short grip, yet holds 15+1 with the right mags. Because of the compact size, I find it easier to carry than a lighter and smaller Glock 27. The trigger is as good as anything except a good 1911 trigger.

    All the pistols you mention: Glock 19/17, Beretta, CZ, SIG, USP, P99, are considerably more bulky than the BHP. The BHP is also easier to carry than a CZ Compact, due to grip length and pistol width.

    The only other 9mm I carry is a P7.

    -z
     
  5. RGO

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    In a thread a while back, someone said, "A BHP in hand means instant confidence." I think that says it all.

    It is my preferred 9mm handgun. Actually, it's my preferred handgun, period. They are quality products. Aside from the magazine disconnector, they are just about perfect out of the box. Large enough to handle easily and small enough to conceal. Also, my BHP is my only firearm that has had a 100% reliability rate.
     
  6. Josey

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    I will even add the EAA Witness. I have tried them all. I even gave Ruger polymer a try. I trust and carry a MKIII BHP 9MM. I do have a Colt 1911 and a VIS-35 too. JMB knew how to design and his designs are timeless.
     
  7. albanian

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    I have mixed views on the BHP. It has points that make it a nice gun but it has others that prevent it from being perfect out of the box.

    BHP pros:
    1. It has the best grip of any double stack 9mm I have ever tried. It feels like it could be a single stack it is so small.

    2. It is at least average in terms of accuracy and often far above average.

    3. Made well.

    4. Overall a small package so it can be a CCW if needed.

    5. One of the most beautiful auto pistols you can get.

    6. Hi-caps can be had for good prices.

    7. Easy to work on.

    CONS:

    1. The trigger is often poor. Removing the mag safety helps but often still leaves you with a less than great trigger.

    2. The mag safety sucks!

    3. The SA only design is not for everyone. I won't carry a SA pistol, I want a DA/SA or a DAO.

    4. The safety on some models is too small to engage or disengage under stress.

    5. Snappy recoil for the weight and size of gun.

    6. Heavy, all steel.

    7. Not always reliable. Mine jammed if I DIDN'T limp wrist it. :confused:

    8. Sights are too small.

    Overall I would give it a thumbs down for a CCW because I think there are much better choices out there for a self defense handgun. Most people would be better off with a Glock 19 than a BHP. I think a BHP is more for experts than newbies. In the right hands, it is a great weapon but it takes time to master.

    I am going to go out on a line here and say that the BHP is out dated. I think all SA only pistols are outdated and that includes 1911s. I know it sounds crazy. I am not saying I don't like them, just that they are out dated. A revolver is out dated also but I have a bunch of them and I trust them with my life. Sometimes outdated is good, i think I am out dated:D.

    You asked so I told.
     
  8. Tecolote

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    It's great for what it does but I wouldn't take one over a SIG. Heresy you say? Out of the box the HP's trigger is pretty bad. The grip is comfortable but hammer bite is a problem for some people. IMHO the slide is too thin, especially if your hands are wet from sweat. But I think that everyone should have a BHP because it's a classic. I just don't rank it higher than a P226 or P228.:)
     
  9. faustulus

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    If I knew I was going to have to do some life or death shooting, and could only have a handgun, there is no other pistol in the world I would want with me.
     
  10. Zak Smith

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    While my MKIII's have been good-to-go with acceptible triggers out of the box - and I've carried them stock, to really make the BHP hum, I have a good trigger job done (also removes some take-up and reset distance), remove the mag safety, and put on some good Novak or Heinie sights.

    -z
     
  11. GW

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    The High Power is as classic a design as the 1911.
    It is a highly reliable system. I have Glock, CZ 75, Beretta 92 and a P-38
    but I'd grab the Hi Power first of all of them
     
  12. Croyance

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    I have no idea of what you mean by "morally old".

    I actually like the triggers on mine. I got them used, so there is some wear in. The G17 definitely has a worse trigger than even the most lemon HiPower.

    I think it fits well in the hand because it is a double stack. The 1911 has very thick wood grips to make it feel good in the hand. Thin grips on a 1911 make the grips feel oddly proportioned. The grip on the Beretta is wide for many people, as is the H&K USP (full sized, compact is a good grip). The G17 just feels toy-like in my hand. The Walther feels good, but top-heavy.

    The capacity is not an issue for me. Guns like the Glock 17 have very long grips in order to get a magazine to fit 17 rounds. Heck, make it long enough and you can get 30.

    I have most of what you listed, and tried the rest, so I guess I can compare.

    To me, it feels right in the hand. The grip is shaped right, the width and depth of the grip seem to fit many hands. The balance is excellent, leading to natural "pointability" and good reactiveness. I think recoil is actually better in a HiPower than a Beretta 92.
     
  13. RON in PA

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    Nothing feels as good as a Browning HP in the hand. In my experience with one of Argentine manufacture, one FN and one Browning (my latest acquisiton) I've had exactly one malfunction, the second round through the first mag in the Argentine. The newer MK3s feed everything I've tried and their sights are excellent. The triggers get a bum rap, they are a bit on the heavy side, but break cleanly. They are compared to the trigger of a 1911 and nothing is as good as a 1911 trigger. The triggers do get better with use (this goes for almost any pistol in my experience).

    One downside of the HP is its price and if you can live with the painted/parkerized finish of the FN (not prettty but more durable) you can save approx. $125-150 over a blued Browning.

    Compared to more modern autos I think that the HP like any other SA auto requires more training, but that's my opinion, others may differ. You should know that as much as I like the HP my carry piece is a revolver.
     
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    The original Wondernine and still king is the BHP. Personally I feel that trigger mumbo-jumbo is BS. Thin profile and with the optional compact detective slide it is quite possibly the best CCW handgun going today. All the reliablity of a 1911 in 9mm. Can you really ask for more? And in my opinion as far as the BHP is concerned, older is always better. The new makes don't have the looks or feel of the older (pre-60s) ones.
     
  15. Brian Williams

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    I have 2 9mm's, a S&W 940 revolver and a Glock 19. My daughter has confiscated the Glock and I carry the 940 much of the time. If I were to get a 9mm auto it would be a BHP or a FM Argentine version. I might think about a 1st gen Glock 17 but none of the others tweaks my fancy. Even the CZ has a tang that stick in the web of my hand and the witness just does not fit right either. this is one of my favorite BHP pics stolen from TFL.
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  16. Lennyjoe

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    I love it.

    So much that Its the only 9MM left in my collection.

    As for the trigger, it only takes a little work to sweeten the trigger up.

    And accuracy is awesome out of mine.:D

    25 yds indoor. See what I mean?


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  17. Zak Smith

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    Brian,

    Hey! I bought that BHP off someone on TFL!

    -z
     
  18. RatFink

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    I've seen a lot of people post about bad trigger jobs on their BHP's so what I'm about to say is probably considered a NO-NO by most;

    I took my FEG apart (the mag safety was gone when I bought it) and took note of all the surfaces that where part of the trigger mechanism, and polished them with a dremmel+small erasure type polishing wheel+Flitz, I changed no angles and removed no metal other than just what was removed in polishing. The trigger is fantastic.

    I'm not advocating that everyone do this, just saying that a little polishing is all it needs.
     
  19. Rembrandt

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    QUOTE: "Is it morally old and outdated construction wise, or it still can hold its own ground?"

    Perhaps a test should be conducted to see if the BHP is inferior...

    Remember the old Coke/Pepsi taste tests....pour some of each into an unmarked cup and let a test subject decide which tasted better....well...

    I'll baracade myself in a building armed with all the possible candidates for best handgun....you can try a forceable entry....if you are killed in the attempt we'll check to see if the gun "was morally old and outdated construction wise, or if it can still hold it's ground"... :p
     
  20. Brian Williams

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    That was Warriorsociologist's and I missed trading a mod 66 for it I hope it shoots well for you.

    OBTW Warriorsoc is a member here also
     
  21. Sunray

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    My Inglis is 100% reliable when I have it in 9mm mode.( I have a .41AE barrel for it too) What's just as, if not more, important is that it fits my hand. Not one of the "wonder nines" does. It's very sad as I was working in a gun store when the CZ 75 first came to Canada back in '79-'80. Nice. Doesn't fit my hand.
     
  22. corruptone

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    The opinion I'm about to offer is from a guy who just received his first Hipower yesterday. I found a great deal on a NIB FN and I just had to have it. Now for some background on my firearm shooting/collecting/accumulating: When I was much younger my father always had a 1911 and a Hipower. When I was old enough to have my first handgun my father tried and tried to convince me that a Hipower would be ideal for me. I wouldn't listen because I felt it was old, made of steel and not polymer, SA and not SA/DA, etc. and of course when you are that young you think your father has no idea what he is talking about. Instead I opted for a Beretta 92FS because I saw it was the 'IN' thing and had just been adopted by the US Military. I had the same mentality concerning long arms as well. My father preferred a M-14/M1A and I preferred a AR-15. Now some 15 some years later, I've just recently began to become knowledgeable about firearms, their designs, functions and ergonomics and how that plays into ones shooting ability. In the past 3 years I've probably bought (and sold) some 12-15 1911's from various manufacturers...maybe more. I Sold the Beretta because I have smallish hands and while it was 100% reliable, just never really fit me. Now I buy what I shoot best or really good deals anyway:)

    I say all of that to preface this statement: The Hipower fits my hand better than ANY other pistol I have ever tried and I've owned/shot a good many. I think that in the hands of someone who is trained properly, the SA is actually better suited than SA/DA., but that's just my opinion. Holding a Hipower after shooting 1911's.....well, let's just say there isn't allot of transition training necessary. I can honestly say that is Hipower is just the first in my collection.

    I'll start a thread later on the whole mentality thing and how that effects one purchases later.
     
  23. RatFink

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    corruptone,

    Nice ain't they. I sold my first because at the time I could really afford to buy the 1911 I wanted so I sold my BHP to finance that purchase. I've always regretted that. Awhile ago I bought an FEG hoping it would fill the gap, and while it feels and shoots just like an HP, when I saw that same deal I had no choice but to replace the FEG with the real thing.

    Hopefully I'll have it tomorrow, it should have been here today, but my FFL friend was unavailable all day for me to see if it arrived.
     
  24. Dienekes

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    "Morally Old"???

    The BHP is my only rationale for owning a 9mm. First fired an Inglis in a "commando match" in Canada in 1960 and was rather taken by it. Many years later I finally got a Mk.I* (tangent sighted model) just to have one, and picked up a very nice Israeli Mk III a few years back. Fitted up a proper safety and Spegel delrins and otherwise left it stock. I do not shoot them as well as a 1911, but they are elegant, reliable pieces and with a +P+ 115 gr. load will do the job.

    Picked up a Glock 17 at about the same time as the Mk III. As the old saying goes, I had two happy days with the Glock; the day I bought it and the day I sold it.

    The BHP will do to ride the river with.
     
  25. Dave Markowitz

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    I have a BHP Practical. NOTHING feels as good in my hand as a BHP. While I wouldn't mind having other 9mms, I have no need for any others.
     
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