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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Scratchy, Jan 4, 2009.

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  1. Scratchy

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    I went shooting with a buddy Friday and right before we left his Browning Buckmark blew up. I mean the top strap bowed up 1/2'' and the slide bent upward. Anybody ever had this happen to their Buckmark? I will post pics in the next day or so.
     
  2. VINTAGE-SLOTCARS

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    I've shot thousands thru mine never a problem, was the the first round thru it ? was the bore clear? Need more info of what was going on b/4 this occured.
     
  3. JohnKSa

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    I'd say that some ammunition company owes your friend a new Buckmark.
     
  4. Scratchy

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    It was the last round and it looks like it fired out of battery and the bullet hit above the chamber/barrel and into the top strap.
     
  5. Geno

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    Those pics will be interesting. Have your friend save the brass, as well as any unfired rounds. The company will want them to examine for double-loads, etc. I would call the ammo co, and Browning to see who wants what.
     
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    Indeed. I've never heard of a Buckmark KB'ing, but I suppose it's possible. In any case, as Doc said - most definitely tell your friend to save whatever fragments he can, and whatever leftover ammo is left from that lot - if it was ammo related (which I'd think it'd have to be, even if the pistold managed to fire out of battery) he'll have a new gun in no time - free of charge. :)
     
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  8. JohnKSa

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    It looks like an overcharged round. (Which is pretty much what it had to be anyway, a standard .22LR round couldn't cause that kind of damage to the topstrap even if it fired out of battery.)

    The depression on the breechface is where the guide rod would normally rest. It's impossible for a lead bullet coming out of a case fired out of battery (velocity would be quite low) to make an impression like that on a solid piece of steel.

    The damage to the top strap resulted from the slide/bolt coming back with much more force than normal.
     
  9. CrankyOldGuy

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    Wow.

    If you live long enough you'll see some very unusual things.
    I would never have guessed a .22 could do that.
    At least we can be pretty sure that this KB was not a reloader issue. ;)
     
  10. rcmodel

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    +1

    This has to be a very over-loaded round. Like a double or triple charge.

    A standard pressure blown case in a .22RF never damages the gun.

    He will need the box or box flap with the ammo lot# printed on it.

    Then they owe him a new gun, after they get done wrangling over it with Browning.

    BTW: What brand of ammo was it?

    rcmodel
     
  11. Glockorama

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    Yep, that is a first....
     
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    No joke. I'd love to hear what brand of ammo was being used. I've got quite a selection in my ammo cabinet, and I'd rather not KB my MK III if it can be avoided.
     
  13. Redneck with a 40

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    I agree, the ammo company will owe you a new gun. I certainly hope you weren't using Federal bulk packs from Wally World, I've got 3000 rounds of that stuff.
     
  14. kitsapcharly

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    It's been a long time since I last saw a bullet pulled from a 22 but seems to me there was a pretty full charge and no room for a double or triple charge. This may have been a chemical company screw-up in supplying something that wasn't even supposed to be used for gunpowder. :eek:
    This shouldn't even have been possible. :uhoh:
     
  15. Loomis

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    IF the bullet can't leave the case for some reason, something like this might happen. I think.
     
  16. rcmodel

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    Actually, the case is about half-full when you compress the charge and take out all the air space.

    "Almost" a double charge would fit and still leave room for bullet seating.

    But you are quite correct that a triple-charge would not fit, and I knew better when I posted that.

    rcmodel
     
  17. Loomis

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    Out of battery my a$$. 22s don't have any kind of lockup. They don't have it because they don't need it...not enough power.
     
  18. Claude Clay

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    if......the round was stripped and fed sidways such that the nose caught on the bbl face at 3 oclock and the rim on the slide rear at 9 oclock and was detonated by the extractor......

    it would be nice to see a picture of the case and the bullit

    my hat off to murphy
     
  19. rcmodel

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    No, a standard charge would not be nearly powerful enough to warp a gun that bad, or at all for that matter.

    All that would happen with the case outside the chamber & Bullet jammed into the open breach would be a ruptured & fragged case, and some smoke & brass shards flying.

    This gun looks like a bomb went off in it!

    Any chance your buddy had been "handloading" with recycled firecracker powder?????

    rcmodel
     
  20. Loomis

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    Ok.

    You would need a bullet that cant move, AND a slide that is stuck closed somehow. Then maybe the pressure would spike high enough to force the slide back with enough force to bend the frame.
     
  21. jocko

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    going to be interesting to see who steps up to the plate, sure hope u keep us posted and taker plenty of photos of ammo, ammo box, any certification fromn anyone who was with you etc. I think you wil need it down the road. It sure looks ammo related, un less ur the ammo company and they will IMO try to put blame on the gun company first. Be prepared for a long fight..
     
  22. Runningman

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    Were you able to retrieve the remains of the case? If so what did it look like? Any pics? I've shot a lot of 22 over the years. I've had two 22 RF fired out of battery in semi auto 22. Blew out a chunk of the rear of the case from the base up to about 1/8" on both. Had to replace the extractor on both of these. But that was the only real damage.

    I've also had two of them blow out part of the rim only. Both of these were out of the same box and were not out of battery firings. They appeared to be weak cases. They were both fired in the same lever gun. None of them did that kind of damage.

    Winchester has recalled some 22 RF ammunition in 2007 for possible double charges. So it is possible for a manufacture to double charge a 22 RF case. A double charge would better explain such damage to that 22 gun.
     
  23. kitsapcharly

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    Could this have been some demented soul sabotaging the occasional round because he's mad at the company? A chemical analysis of what was really in there might show something startling. I don't know much about powders, ammo manufacturing, etc. but feel almost sure this can't be possible with anything that SHOULD be loaded into ammunition. :confused:
    Remember the poisoned tylenol capsules that were apparently the work of someone who wanted their stock to drop? :( Somebody murdered strangers for apparently that reason.
    If it's really possible to do what looks like bomb damage in a well-made gun like a Buckmark with a common 22 round then we must all be out of our minds to even have guns. :banghead:
    This is just wrong!!!!
     
  24. jocko

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    I'm kinda suprised to that not ALL AMMO boxes are not 100% completely sealed from public viewing...
     
  25. JImbothefiveth

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    What ammo was it?
     
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