Quantcast

Buckshot or slugs for HD

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by futureranger, Mar 30, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. futureranger

    futureranger Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2008
    Messages:
    151
    Location:
    VA
    i was wondering if 00 buckshot would be better than a slug for home defence, i personaly have no clue about an actual home deffence sittuation so any imput would be great. buckshot spreads but might hit something i dont want it to but if i have to shoot by pointing or off the hip (in a fdo or die situation) i think 00 would be better, yes? no?
     
  2. Snarlingiron

    Snarlingiron Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2006
    Messages:
    1,362
    Location:
    Fort Worth, Texas (Where men are men, and a lot of
    Scroll down the page and read "Why the craze for buckshot?" This one just got beaten to death.
     
  3. Indifferent

    Indifferent Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2008
    Messages:
    254
    Location:
    Whittier
    No slugs, shot doesn't spread that much in a home.

    Unless we are talking about a mansion.
    Well at 100yards the shot might hit stuff you didn't want it too.
     
  4. SimpleIsGood229

    SimpleIsGood229 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2008
    Messages:
    934
    Location:
    The Republic of Texas
    If you're concerned about a spreading shot pattern, get some Federal Premium 9-pellet 00 with Flite Control wad. I get 4-6'' spreads at 15 yards from my Cyl-bore, 18.5'' Benelli Nova with the reduced recoil flavor of said load.
     
  5. BlackJackal

    BlackJackal Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2008
    Messages:
    106
    Location:
    Ontario Canada
    Id say 00 buck improved cylinder dosent spread much at 15 yards.. if u live in a castle then go with slugs :D
     
  6. rantingredneck

    rantingredneck Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2007
    Messages:
    1,777
    Location:
    North Carolina
    buckshot with slugs available for a quick combat load.

    There are possibilities (while remote) that one must think of when defending the home.

    SO or child held hostage by BG? Do you really want buckshot in this situation?

    Shooting a vehicle to disable it as BG is escaping with wife or child as hostage? Slugs do this better.

    Returning fire at BG shooting at you/your home from a distance? Slugs do better than shot, rifle works even better.

    Again, remote possibilities, but I keeps slugs handy and I know what they'll do at 25/50/100 from each of my shotguns.

    My primary 870 wears an IC riflesighted barrel for this very reason. 00 buck in the tube and slugs in the sidesaddle.
     
  7. Geno

    Geno Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2005
    Messages:
    15,742
    My BIL was a police officer for many years. The officers had to carry alternating rounds of 00 buckshot and slugs. To this day, that is how I too load my own 12 gauge.
     
  8. Jeff F

    Jeff F Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2006
    Messages:
    1,507
    Location:
    Silver Springs NV
    I keep it loaded with buckshot and have a few slugs on the gun in a butt cuff. I will selectively load a slug if its needed. I keep my magazine tube loaded one shy in case I need to load a slug first up.
     
  9. Wetawd

    Wetawd Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2008
    Messages:
    117
    Location:
    Wahington. Maple Valley, Renton
    I usually go with 00 but am gonna switch to slugs.:)
     
  10. txcoyote

    txcoyote Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2004
    Messages:
    50
    Try the "Search" function as this topic gets asked and beat to death weekly it seems.
     
  11. The Ruckus

    The Ruckus Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2007
    Messages:
    115
    Location:
    SE Michigan
    Pro tip: The search feature is about 10% effective. I honestly can never find what I'm looking for, I could search for titles with "magazine" in them and find no results.
     
  12. eastwood44mag

    eastwood44mag Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2005
    Messages:
    1,027
    #4 bird shot. Buck shot tends to over-penetrate on small targets and paper-thin walls.
     
  13. The Ruckus

    The Ruckus Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2007
    Messages:
    115
    Location:
    SE Michigan
    Uh oh, inb4 the storm.

    Most people here will agree that birdshot is dangerous for YOU. The 2-4" of penetration birdshot provides isn't enough to penetrate organs. Just enough to penetrate drywall if you miss your intended target.
     
  14. lvcat2004

    lvcat2004 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2008
    Messages:
    502
    Location:
    Las Vegas, NV
    I wouldn't say birdshot is "dangerous". There is nothing wrong with having a birdshot, followed by 00. Birdshot no doubt will slow someone down, and it's easier to aim at slower target IMHO.
     
  15. Robert Hairless

    Robert Hairless Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2003
    Messages:
    3,983
    Nobody here has your specific shotgun, knows the layout of your specific home, has any idea of how it's furnished, or how the people in it lead their lives. Every home is built differently and every shotgun--even those of the same model--prefers different ammunition.

    So there's no shortcut. If you want to know what your shotgun will do with buckshot you'll need to pattern it at various distances with a variety of ammunition. You'll also need to determine the longest distance you might have to shoot in your home--not mine or anyone else's--and use those patterning tests to decide what's right for your own situation. You need to get your facts and think your way through to using them.

    I urge you to take a good "tactical shotgun" course from as good an instructor as you can find. The Internet isn't a substitute for expert instruction. I'd recommend a course from Louis Awerbuck, but there are some others in his league.
     
  16. FlyinBryan

    FlyinBryan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2008
    Messages:
    2,795
    Location:
    TEXAS
    field loads across any bedroom will drop a guy like a bad habit.
     
  17. CWL

    CWL Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    Messages:
    6,525
    I think that we need to "sticky" this subject so it doesn't get re-posted every few days.
     
  18. 1KPerDay

    1KPerDay Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2006
    Messages:
    17,331
    Location:
    Happy Valley, UT
    Ask Dick Cheney. ;)
     
  19. rklessdriver

    rklessdriver Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2008
    Messages:
    932
    Location:
    NOVA
    Bird Shot is for BIRDS.

    Honestly if so worried about Slugs or OO Buck going through a wall you need to re-assess wether or not you should take the shot.

    Hopefully your not going to be playing the A Team where everybody shooting and missing. In a life or death situation you better damn well hit the BG.

    Loading up with bird shot just because you MIGHT miss is no justification IMO to undercut one of the most effective weapons you can have in a gun fight.
    Will
     
  20. Titan6

    Titan6 member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,745
    Location:
    Gillikin Country
    Futureranger- All the Ranger's I know use buckshot in the field and slugs at home. You make the call.
     
  21. 556A2

    556A2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    604
    Location:
    Asheboro, NC
    If I am limiting myself to a single projectile like a rifled slug, I'll grab a carbine instead. The shotgun's main advantage is it puts many projectiles on a single target at once. When using a slug, its just big short-range rifle with less accuracy. compared to a Tacticool Carbine.

    Of course, YMMV.
     
  22. Fred Fuller

    Fred Fuller Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2004
    Messages:
    21,217
    Location:
    AL, NC
    i personaly have no clue about an actual home deffence sittuation so any imput would be great
    ============================

    futureranger,

    I'd humbly suggest that your very first task should be to get not just "a clue," but as complete an education about actual home defense situations as you can manage. That by its very nature includes a reasonably good understanding of your local laws and prosecutorial attitudes regarding home defense.

    I'm one of those old pharts who thinks that software (your mental awareness, training, education, knowledge, skills and practiced abilities) are FAR more important than hardware (what load you choose, or for that matter even what firearm you choose for home defense). That said, let's explore how you can best go about learning some of the things you need to know.

    I'm a big fan of live training at the hands of a good instructor, as I think that's the best way for a person to shorten their learning curve in absorbing a new set of skills without picking up some bad habits along the way. With that in mind I would suggest you try to locate an NRA certified instructor near you who's teaching classes in shotgun and PPITH (Personal Protection In The Home). Take a look at http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/basictraining.asp and search there to see if there is an instructor near you.

    Failing that, the NRA has released its PPITH course of instruction on DVD. You can order a copy from the Program Materials Center at http://materials.nrahq.org/go/product.aspx?productid=ES 26840 . I don't think videos are a complete substitute for taking a class 'live,' but sometimes it might be the only option readily available.

    I'd also suggest you consider watching Louis Awerbuck's videos The Combat Shotgun and Safe At Home as well. Links to those are included below:
    http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=1367
    http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=1500

    If you do manage to get a live class, your instructor should inform you regarding local laws on self defense and the attitudes of your local law enforcement officers and the local District Attorney or prosecutor toward self defense by citizens. If you cannot get a class, you will need to educate yourself on those issues. You'll want to talk to your DA or a representative from that office, a practicing criminal defense attorney, and/or a local law enforcement officer or two. What you want to learn is "what the law says about home defense" in your locality- you don't want to pitch your questions as 'what can I get away with.' You may be talking with these same people in the aftermath of a defensive shooting, and you want to be remembered as 'a good guy' and not some sort of wannabe headhunter.

    I sincerely hope you'll seek out some good solid face-to-face training, or failing that, some 'distance education' via video, before you ever have to confront any sort of defensive situation in your home. You need to have the confidence that knowing you're doing the right thing under trying circumstances gives you, in order to more easily face those circumstances- and the aftermath.

    As to the question you actually asked, the answer in our house is "both." Shotguns are the go-to defensive firearms here. Magazines are loaded one round short with full power 00 buckshot, and Sidesaddles mounted on the gun are loaded with Brenneke KO slugs. That gives us the option of loading a slug first if necessary under the circumstances. Note that performing "select slug" drills under pressure requires training and practice.

    Stay Safe,

    lpl/nc
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice