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Buddies Stoeger Luger .22lr

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by JussRight, Jan 12, 2021.

  1. JussRight

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    It will not release the hammer after the action is racked back. he says he cannot pull the trigger and the safety is sticking. I am intrigued by this problem but my experience is limited to Glocks and ARs

    He did say he took it to a gun smith and could not resolve the problem. He took it a gunsmith and the new parts were in it but the plastic screw thing for the seer was broken and put back together with super glue.

    Does anyone have any experience with this type of pistol? It says USA Hackensack N.J.

    Any help is greatly appreciated.

    JFYI, I did do a search, the threads were locked and I could not post.
     
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    Is it under warranty? Take it to a different gunsmith.
     
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  4. ApacheCoTodd

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    Those old Stoegers classically reach the throw-away point in pretty critical fashion.

    The first worst thing owners did was to try to clean them on a High Standard, Colt or Ruger schedule - Stoegers don't like that.

    The next worst thing was excessive, unnecessary disassemblies. Guess what? Stoegers don't tolerate that. Especially, ham-fisted, *intuitive* messing about.

    So many guns that were merely the victims of LOTS of dirty ammo and suspicious fluids ended up worse for wear (quite literally) by being pried apart and forced back together.

    I'll bet somewhere in the depths of utoob, there's a weirdo with a great disassembly video.

    Usually now, fellas reach a point of diminished returns on these. You can still get one up and running but once it displays as your pal's, I wouldn't touch it that I didn't have the time to completely disassemble it, inspect every part and then rebuild if warranted.

    Could be a fun project for you. They're neat, if un-impressive, guns.

    Todd.
     
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  5. JussRight

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    Thanks fellas! Your help is providing me a way to solve this issue. I greatly appreciate your input here. I like the comment..."Those old Stoegers classically reach the throw-away point in pretty critical fashion." And no it is not under warranty. Its several decades old...but looks nice! Hahahah

    Thank you tightgroup for the link. excellent help as always
     
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    I still have the one I bought brand new in 1977 for $99.95 in a hardware store, complete with a plastic foam lined box. It still functions perfectly and dang it... it's not only fun, but mine is reliable and hits what you aim at! I'm still amazed. The toggle action is very fast and because there isn't a lot of mass moving back and forth, there's little felt recoil. That plastic screw you're talking about is critical as I recall... but maybe it could be replaced with a steel/aluminum screw that fits. It's plastic because something moves against the end of it - it's been too many years since I took mine apart. Good luck with it - if you can fix it, it should be fun. Yep they're kinda cheap... aluminum cast receiver and I think the steel barrel is pressed in. I filed my rear sight to adjust it and touched it up with alumi-black as I recall. It used to really piss off my buddy who spent a lot on a bull barrel Ruger but he couldn't outshoot the cheap Stoeger. :)
     
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  7. JussRight

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    Thanks Rain, good stuff
     
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    Hate to say it, but those are total junk
     
  9. JussRight

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    HAhahahahahahhaha! I thought so too
     
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    Most especially after having been owned by a dozen or more folk.

    Todd.
     
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    I had one ages ago never had any real problem other than loading the magazine was a bear friend of mine made a loading tool for it from a piece of aluminium @Stock.
     
  12. Rembrandt

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    ApacheCoTodd, did you actually own one?...or was this second hand information? It would be tragic to transpose those problems to the entire production run without a documented history to back it up. By the same logic it wouldn't be fair to claim all were trouble free because others ran flawless.

    Purchased mine new back in the 70's and it worked fine.....until I disassembled it and couldn't get back together correctly. Returned it to the dealer and they couldn't make it work, so the gun got sent back to Stoeger and I was given a new one. Lesson learned, never took it apart for cleaning again. Now clean mine with carb cleaner and compressed air. Reminds me of the early Rugers Mark I's & II's that stumped owners when reassembling. In fact you can still find ads in the American Rifleman to reassemble Ruger's.....for a price. Illustrates that more than one manufacturer gave little thought to serviceability.

    Now have two that have run flawlessly for nearly 50 years. One is a target version with adjustable rear sights.

    Stoeger 1.JPG

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    Yup - 4 or 5 myself (I think I owned the same one twice) and a couple of friends pistols.

    Your second paragraph essentially mirrors what I was saying so I'm at a bit of a loss to understand your question.

    Todd.
     
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    Couldn't tell by your original post if the experience was on one owned or people you knew....thanks for the clarification.
     
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    I try really hard to neither create nor continue the *I heard a guy....* stuff as it's so detrimental to good information and spreads like a fire in August in the internet age - yet never seems to go away.

    For my part, I think that given; the features, cost, uniqueness and MADCAP rate of fire of these that for a first or maybe even a second owner, they are an experience in .22s that is hard to match.

    Unfortunately damn near every one I've seen since - I guess - the late 80's has been clapped out through one form of design/owner inspired abuse or other.

    Now, to speak praise to the little gun. As I've said, I've had either 4 or 5 of them, such is the intriguing and beguiling nature of the gun. In all fairness, it must be noted that I keep trying them due to the TOTAL satisfaction on the parts of those couple of friends who did not mistreat theirs and have truly enjoyed decades of plinking. In one case, squirrel-pot filling.

    Another pal says it's THE ONLY .22 pistol he ever thinks about for trash-pandas. Due entirely to the gonzo speed of the action he can get a lethal load of .22 into one before it otherwise scurries off to die of 1-2 rounds from another pistol.

    Todd.
     
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    Well, I have owned 2 and still retain 1. I've had it since new in ~1977. It works great! Is it junk? Yep! It's junk, but it works great! There's a first-hand account, but if you repeat what I said, remember it will then be second-hand!
     
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    I had a Stoeger Luger for a while, sold it after I picked up an Erma .22(also junk, but more pleasant to look at). After cleaning all the old grime I could with the toggle locked open, and a little fresh lube, the Stoeger ran like a top. Probably the most accurate .22 I've shot to boot(thats right, I don't own any target .22's).
     
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    Stoeger .22 Lugers have been ruined by excessive disassembly not needed for routine cleaning. (Any one have a Stoeger .22 Luger User Manual?)

    There are people who routinely disassemble guns much further than actually needed for routine maintenance.

    I have seen a CZ-52 that the owner drove out the slide latch in cleaning. That part is a semi-permanent assembly, the end peened/revitted in place, and only needs removal if the part is broken. There's no reason to remove the slide latch (slide-hold-open-on-empty). "Why did I do it? I remove the slide latch on my 1911 when I disassemble for cleaning, that's why."

    Are there people who pop the rivets holding the metal liner to the fiberglass shell of the classic AR forestock while doing routine cleaning, then complain it's loose after reassembly? After all I have seen, I would not be surprised.
     
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