Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by newglockguy, Feb 18, 2013.
I think it depends on whether or not they want a multi-role gun or more or less dedicated varmint gun. As far as calibers go,the .243 would make for a great deer gun that would work quite well for non edible critters too. The 25-06 and .270 also, although probably more gun than most people want to shoot 100 prairie dogs with at a time - recoil plus more expensive bullets and more powder. The 22-250 has got to be king for really long range varmints (plentiful components, at least in sane times) In the end for most varmints and ranges, maybe 200 yrds. and under, and economical shooting, the .223 is pretty hard to beat. I'm sure others will have different opinions though.
220swift is pretty darn good as well as 204 ruger. As of now they are both easier to get than .223.
22-250 is pretty much the standard for available ammo and longer range though.
100-300YDS..17REM, 204RUGER, 223REM
600+YDS about anything goes with 243WIN and 25-06 in the lead due to bullet selection.
Should help your friends create a short list. They can plug in their own variables and shorten it up a bit.
1. Squirrels, rabbits etc. .22LR and .17HMR, 2. Crows, grackles, blackbirds .17HMR, or .223/5.56//.22LR if short range. 3. Prairie dogs, coyotes, bobcats could use .223, .22-250 or 6mm. 4. Feral hogs anything .223 up to .45-70.
5. close range=12ga. in a variety of shot sizes depending on the varmint.
.223/5.56Nato is kinda hard to come by now--fortunately I have several thousand rds. on hand. Hopefully, this shortage won't last??? Heck, I can't even get the .22LR ammo I use. Things are quite scary in this political climate.
I have always been a fan of the .270 because of its diversity, but I relaoded back then. I don't recall any bullet weight I could not find a load that wouldn't work as advertised. Cost and availability of ammo might be something to consider today. Everyone you listed will do the job, and pros and cons for all could be found.
But for diversity, the .270 would be my choice; and the standard twist rate on my Ruger lightweight didn't revial anything but a nice wide range to work with. The average 130 to 150 grain off the shelf ammo is a bit heavy for varmint use, but they sell ammo down to 100 grain which is ideal for small game if you can find it in your area.
I reloaded 90 to 140 grain bullets, and all were easy to find good loads. 110 thru 140 grain bullets were my favorite bullet weights in reloading. The 140 grain HPBT bullets and loads were so rock solid, I couldn't see a good reason to get away from that bullet weight; with the 130 grain bullets as the sweet spot for that caliber and general shooting.
I can't imagine not finding a Yote buster off the shelf in 130 grains that won't go clean thru a pelt inside 250 yards; nor one that won't drop a deer where it stands. The caliber and bullet weight is just to versatile. There is no "magic bullet" that will do it all, but the .270 at the velocities it is capiable of comes about as close and as I have found; bullet shapes/ design give it a lot of options to hunters in North America.
For what its worth,
As noted, it depends a lot on how much you're gonna shoot, do you hand load (I assume not if you have to ask which to buy), and as noted, the anticipated ranges.
If I had to pick one to take on a prairie dog hunt (lots of shots and accuracy required), it would be the AR closely followed by the .204. In a few weeks the lunacy will die down and .223 ammo will most likely be cheap again. The .204 shoots laser flat and has zero recoil.
Third would be the Hornet, and the .22-250 would be last, simply because the barrel heats really fast (as in five shots or less), it has a little more recoil (can't see the hits), and it's LOUD.
Back nearly fifty years ago my dad bought me a 22-250. I terrorized groundhogs around the farming community. There are other choices I'd make now.
Any/all would be acceptable. Anything above these start to punish you in the recoil and noise departments.
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I like his thinking. I have the 204 and 243. Now looking for a 223 too.......
I've always wanted to get a 25-06. Little bigger pill, great case (like anythings made from the 30-06), and if they ever decide to take a shot at something larger than a woodchuck, they'll have the gun to do it.
Any thought to what rifle will be sending these bullets down range?
My choice came down to either a .22-250 or a .223. The .223 shoots less flat of course but it shoots a lot cheaper. So the decision was easy for me.
Maybe FMJ...but if you compare .22-250 varmint ammo to .223 varmint ammo, they are about the same price....at least if you want decently accurate ammo.
Right now, you will have an easier time finding .22-250 ammo anyway
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