"Bulge carrying" is the best of both worlds

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You obviously don't have a clue what common sense means to me
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No, and I'm not sure you do either. You say that it's "common sense" for people to react to the sight of a gun with fear.

You're right, I don't have a clue why anyone would think that.
 
To my mind, 'Bulge Carrying' is actually the worst of both worlds, as it lacks the tactical suprise element of fully concealed, yet it makes your weapon less accessible then full open carry.

I suppose it might have its place in a casual kind of way, but definately not the best of both worlds IMO.
 
My next question was to ask how many cops are shot every year, just to get a free gun. How many times do you call the cops if you see a plainclothes narcotics officer? Staff LEOs around here OC plainclothes all the time, and the only time you might be able to tell the difference is if they have a small badge clipped to their belt. Hate to tell you this, but I could go out today and have a nice shiney badge to clip to my belt and noone would know the difference. You going to call the cops everytime you see a cop now?

I don't know what society is like way up there in the north, nor do I wish to. But don't force your isolated regional attitude and stigma on large swaths of the country where citizens still enjoy basic freedoms.
 
Here in Show Low, Arizona, I see people open carrying all the time. They carry in restaurants, grocery stores, the car wash, Wal-Mart (gosh!). Nobody cares. Nobody calls the police. I CCW all the time, and sometimes when I carry my 1911 outside the belt covered with a shirt, it is visible. Nobody cares about that either. We don't call the police everytime we see a citizen going about his legal business. When I visit the valley (Phoenix metropoliton area), I see OC there too. No big deal.
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More internet forum talk. I hear it all the time. Doesn't mean much to me.

I don't see ANYBODY open carrying.

Never have.

Maybe it's different in some isolated places, but I haven't seen any evidence of it.
 
More internet forum talk. I hear it all the time. Doesn't mean much to me.

I don't see ANYBODY open carryin
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So if you don't see it, it must not exist.

Yet you are perfectly happy to make claims that IF you DO open carry, that all kinds of bad things will happen. You don't see that either, but you believe it.

You don't find any contradiction there?
 
Logos: you appear to support making open carry illegal. Is this true?

Also, please respond to BossHaug's post.
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I already did.

And if open carry becomes a problem, I have NO DOUBT that it will become illegal.

Fine with me.

Our actions have consequences.
 
And why is it again that what you see where you live is somehow how you expect it to be everywhere else? Do you honestly think these people are making up the fact that open carry is fairly common where they live? Where do YOU live again?

OK, now that I'm just as guilty as everyone else...


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How many times do you call the cops if you see a plainclothes narcotics officer?
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Apparently, our local non-uniformed narcotics officers are bright enough not to openly show their guns and rile up the populace.

Like I said several times now......I don't see any open carry here.
 
Ok, so you support making open carry illegal. What is your basis for this? Has there been a rash of OCers commiting crimes?

And if open carry becomes a problem...
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What do you mean by this? Folks like you calling the cops on people who have done nothing illegal?
 
So if you don't see it, it must not exist.

Yet you are perfectly happy to make claims that IF you DO open carry, that all kinds of bad things will happen. You don't see that either, but you believe it.

You don't find any contradiction there?
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No, I don't.

I have read about incidents in my state where people have open carried and the police were called. Go to Twin Cities Carry forum and search it......I'm sure you'll find some.

But I've never seen anybody open carry.
 
Well, my daddy used to tell me: Son, don't wrestle with a pig...you both get dirty, and the pig likes it. If Logos thinks I'm a liar, he is welcome to his opinion of me, and I am entitled to my own opinion of him. I have better things to do today than argue with this troll.
 
our local non-uniformed narcotics officers are bright enough not to openly show their guns and rile up the populace.
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Yeah, nothing like police officers carrying sidearms to rile up the populace... :rolleyes:Where do you live again?

Dang, I did it again.
 
so you support making open carry illegal. What is your basis for this? Has there been a rash of OCers commiting crimes?
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If open carry causes problems, it WILL undoubtedly be made illegal.

Somebody here said it's already illegal in Texas. Why? I bet they figure it would cause problems.

Common sense.
 
omebody here said it's already illegal in Texas. Why? I bet they figure it would cause problems.
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Open carry in Texas, like most gun laws, are racist in their beginnings.

Few of them had anything to do with protecting the public good. Most of them had to do with keeping former slaves unarmed.

Again, you are too ill informed on the topic of gun control to be debating it. You are going on feelings, and that doesn't work very well against facts.
 
OK, we've connected the dots.

Open carry should be illegal because it would unduly burden LE due to MWAG calls.

Wow. Lets give up our rights to appease the soccer moms, antis, and LE.

No thanks.

But thanks for being honest.
 
Explain how the Texas law is racist, please.
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Wow. You have to be kidding right?

All gun laws in the United States have racist beginnings. I'll assume 2 things here;

1) that you actually care to find out and
2) that you know how to use Google.

In the meantime, I'll copy this from some research on the topic to get you some basics on the background:

Racist arms laws predate the establishment of the United States. Starting in 1751, the French Black Code required Louisiana colonists to stop any blacks, and if necessary, beat "any black carrying any potential weapon, such as a cane." If a black refused to stop on demand, and was on horseback, the colonist was authorized to "shoot to kill.
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For Texas specifically:

One especially absurd example, and one that includes strong evidence of the racist intentions behind gun control laws, is Texas.

In Cockrum v. State (1859), the Texas Supreme Court had recognized that there was a right to carry defensive arms, and that this right was protected under both the Second Amendment, and section 13 of the Texas Bill of Rights. The outer limit of the state's authority (in this case, attempting to discourage the carrying of Bowie knives), was that it could provide an enhanced penalty for manslaughters committed with Bowie knives. [30] Yet, by 1872, the Texas Supreme Court denied that there was any right to carry any weapon for self-defense under either the state or federal constitutions -- and made no attempt to explain or justify why the Cockrum decision was no longer valid.
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In this, the Court said:

The law under consideration has been attacked upon the ground that it was contrary to public policy, and deprived the people of the necessary means of self- defense; that it was an innovation upon the customs and habits of the people, to which they would not peaceably submit... We will not say to what extent the early customs and habits of the people of this state should be respected and accommodated, where they may come in conflict with the ideas of intelligent and well-meaning legislators. A portion of our system of laws, as well as our public morality, is derived from a people the most peculiar perhaps of any other in the history and derivation of its own system. Spain, at different periods of the world, was dominated over by the Carthagenians, the Romans, the Vandals, the Snovi, the Allani, the Visigoths, and Arabs; and to this day there are found in the Spanish codes traces of the laws and customs of each of these nations blended together in a system by no means to be compared with the sound philosophy and pure morality of the common law.
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And a statement from a Florida court speaking about handguns in automobiles:

I know something of the history of this legislation. The original Act of 1893 was passed when there was a great influx of negro laborers in this State drawn here for the purpose of working in turpentine and lumber camps. The same condition existed when the Act was amended in 1901 and the Act was passed for the purpose of disarming the negro laborers and to thereby reduce the unlawful homicides that were prevalent in turpentine and saw-mill camps and to give the white citizens in sparsely settled areas a better feeling of security. The statute was never intended to be applied to the white population and in practice has never been so applied.
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Pro Tip: Notice how when you challenge a statement I make, I immediately back it up with references to other sources to back it up?

Try it sometime....
 
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