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Bulk ammo and the ATF

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Sky, Sep 3, 2012.

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  1. Sky

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    I went to my favorite range today to sight in my AK-47 7.62x39 clone with another red dot. While there a discussion transpired about bulk ammo sales and a visit from ATF. In the last month 2 customers who ordered bulk ammo got a visit by ATF within 2 hours of delivery. The ATF said, "You received a UPS shipment of ammo and we want to see the gun it is for". Both customers complied. Also when you get the visit you are placed on a watch list in the event any crime is committed in your local area by the caliber they have you now listed for; they can request to do a ballistic test on your weapon.

    This is not Tin Foil and the range owner later confirmed what had been said. This is actually a low crime area so no one we know of has had their weapon tested or asked for, as of yet.


    I live in a border state whereby in a couple of directions you are at the Mexican Boarder.

    I assume this is to stop someone from buying ammo for someone else or the result of the last crazy who purchased ammo on line?

    Has anyone else been told or experienced this to be true?
     
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    First I have heard of that but I am not surprised, considering the amount drug-related gun violence that is occurring in Mexico.

    I am in northern Virginia ... but we also have a LOT(!) of Mexicans nearby. :D

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  3. AlexanderA

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    Are you saying that you personally talked to the two individuals who were allegedly visited by the ATF? Or was this a third-hand report?

    This is how Internet rumors get started.
     
  4. Sky

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    No the guys came in separately last month and relayed their stories to the counter help and the owner. The owner confirmed the story to me. So call it whatever; but the owner has never lied to me that I am aware of.

    It could be a local procedure but I doubt it.
     
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    the correct ending for that sentence is "politely declined and closed the door"
     
  6. Midwest

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    I am guessing here that maybe, if the story is true. Perhaps it has something to do with the border states where the ATF requires notification for single purchase of multiple long gun sales. Maybe this now applies to bulk ammo...again..just a guess.

    If that is the case, this is the first time I have seen any mention of 'reporting' of bulk ammo sales anywhere.
     
  7. Ramone

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    Define "bulk"?

    are we talking 1000 round boxes?

    A pallet load?

    Pallets?
     
  8. Sam1911

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    Amen.

    Of course, with the greatest of respect for the OP's LGS, this is now 4th hand info and ... well ...
     
  9. Sky

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    I asked about the amount of ammo purchased also. One had purchased 1000 rounds..My next question was, "What about 500 will that get you a visit"? The exact amount is unknown only that both got the visit.

    Hummm, I probably could weasel the numbers for the guys from the owner but I would not do that for I do not personally know the individuals. Also liable to cause a stink for the owner giving out that kind of info.

    We have guys on this forum who do bulk purchases and hopefully someone will chime in with their own experiences. Border states are a tad bit different than other states as far as reporting purchases of weapons.

    I am wondering if it is a local area thing or the gears have shifted and it will become the norm? It is evident that UPS is having to report the delivery if all this is true.
     
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  10. Sam1911

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    That should be easy enough to find out.
     
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    1000 rounds isnt a lot of ammo. I seriously doubt the ATF has the manpower to follow every case that gets delivered.

    Sounds like tin foil stuff to me.
     
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    does the range you were shooting at sell ammo?
     
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    Hopefully someone else will chime in and let us know if they have experienced the same thing within the last month..
     
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    If they brought their ammo at a LGS why did the owner rat them out???
     
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    Yes he sells ammo. But not in bulk or by the can.

    These were on line Internet orders delivered by UPS.
     
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    were they looking for some of obama's and holder's guns?
     
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    Guys I know this is far out there and some will not be pleased if "all is true". But at this stage for this area I would give odds that this happened exactly as explained. I can see the 'benefit and the curse' it just depends on what side of the counter you are on. It is mostly a form of intimidation IMO; again if all true.
     
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    Those who live elsewhere should understand that the states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and the southern part of California have been singled out by the Justice Department and Department of Homeland Security to receive extraordinary levels of surveillance as they make a desperate attempt to find evidence to support the Administration’s contention that rouge gun dealers and some individuals are supplying military-style guns and ammunition to Mexican drug cartels.

    So far harassing federally licensed retail dealers has not been particularly productive, with relatively few arrests if you consider the size of the effort and the amount of manpower assigned to it.

    So I would not be surprised if they were tracking what they see as large shipments of ammunition consisting of rounds that fit popular black rifles and pistols that can have large capacity ammunition feeding devices. :rolleyes:

    This is not to say the above reports are true or not, but rather that they do not come as a surprise to us that live in Mexican border country.
     
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    Hasn't happened to me.

    Perhaps it is just a Texas thang.
     
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    It certainly is not my intention to start an unsubstantiated rumor; other than he said she said that is all I got. Hopefully someone on a boarder state who has done a bulk order lately can pass on their experience. I should do one myself just for grins but I do not need half the stuff I have already.
     
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    So do they have a legal right to do this type of thing? I'm leaning towards that without a search warrant they would not be entering my home. This could possibly end up costing me in the long run. But unwarranted searches are not something I will give into.

    And how did they know about the orders? They must have had the tracking numbers to know that the packages were recently delivered. 1k rounds is not a large order.


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    I live in one of those report multiple sales areas. Just got 6000+ rounds delivered last month, no visits yet. It was 7.62x54, .38, 7.62x39, and 5.56.
     
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    I am really glad to hear that!! So it must be a local fiefdom kinda thing?
     
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    Hasn't happened to me.

    If Tennessee is now on the U.S./Mexican border I am in serious trouble... :uhoh: :eek:
     
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    if you guys want you can send me money and ill test this out, then report back.
     
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