Bulk ammo and the ATF

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I guess a thousand rounds or so is like a million dollars. I heard that if you cash out a million dollars out of your bank account or something, the man will do all like that same same/make a shadow? If only we had a company store!
 
Well, I have received ammo in marked cases, just as was shipped to the dealer. So, easy to tell what it is. Our UPS drivers are great, sometimes kidding about another case of gold comin' in. Now, I would be more aware of Fedex drivers,but, this thread mentions UPS. Also, I remember when the USPS crunch made news, the Postmaster actually said maybe mail carriers could be the eyes and ears for other agencies. Maybe everyone is watching.. One friend won't order at all, we usually split cases, so, maybe he's not as paranoid as I thought. I only wish Ga Arms could keep up...


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I have received cases of ammo that was not marked at all. It came from an online source and it was just a regular brown cardboard box, nothing special. Are they required to place something on it designating what it is? The second time around it was in the same box but marked, and it seems to alternate back and forth. Hmmmm...this is interesting. It sounds a lot like the guy that posted on here that he had a visit from the FBI not long ago where they gave him a slip of paper and talked to him about the suspicious activity terrorist thing. Maybe they are spending that much manpower on checking out the little things. I don't see how they could keep track of it all but at least they are doing something I guess.
 
Umm.. I have ordered 18,500 rounds in the last month from AIM. (Last order was for 20 cases of 7.62x54R)

Should I be expecting a visit soon??? :)
 
I went to my favorite range today to sight in my AK-47 7.62x39 clone with another red dot. While there a discussion transpired about bulk ammo sales and a visit from ATF. In the last month 2 customers who ordered bulk ammo got a visit by ATF within 2 hours of delivery. The ATF said, "You received a UPS shipment of ammo and we want to see the gun it is for". Both customers complied. Also when you get the visit you are placed on a watch list in the event any crime is committed in your local area by the caliber they have you now listed for; they can request to do a ballistic test on your weapon.

This is not Tin Foil and the range owner later confirmed what had been said.
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Yeah, tin foil hat material, definitely.

I like how the customers got visits from the ATF within 2 hours of delivery, as if the ATF's big brother system has hacked the UPS delivery system.

If there were two customers who got visits from the ATF, they were already on a watch list. Ordering bulk ammo doesn't put you on a watch list.

The ATF, police, your next door neighbor, or your mom can ask to test your gun. So what? They can ask just about anything. That doesn't mean you have to comply.
 
I live near the border. I never worry about bulk ammo orders getting me noticed. I guess BATFE just doesn't care what those darn Canadians are up to!:)
 
they can request to do a ballistic test on your weapon.
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THE BATFE may ask to borrow my wife for a night too, but I'm under absolutely no obligation to grant that request. While the "get a lawyer and shut up" advice is given frequently on this board, its prudent advice to follow here. There are NO laws regarding the amount of ammo one can store in most jurisdictions, no requirement that one buys only ammo they have a weapon chambered in, etc. *IF* it is happening, its a fishing expedition, and nothing more. Tip or not, one's fourth amendment rights aren't nullified by the ATF's curiosity. There's no reason to comply with the BATFE if they do not have a warrant and you have broken no laws, no should you be compelled to provde them with any information that may be used against you at any point in the future.
 
zxcvbob said:
UPS guy doesn't know how much ammo nor what caliber, the box just says, ORM-D Ammunition for Small Arms.
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Not always. The 500 rounds I got in recently was in the manufacturers box, very obvious what it was and what caliber etc.
 
We are thinking it is a particular driver who believes wholeheartedly in see something say something.

I am going to order ammo today even though I don't need any.

Will follow up on trying to get one of the guys to call me that it supposedly happened to.

Al thanks for the link on the http://pistol-training.com/archives/5358
 
during the last "surprise" visit from the ATF (storefront) they were very interested in one internet sale to the texas/mexican border. The paperwork was all in order, dealer to dealer transfer, but they made phone calls (2) to the ATF field office in that location (texas).
I am convinced the mexican border troubles are creating extra field work for these fellas and maybe "fast & furious" caused ripples of investigations
(only guessing)
 
Just received 3 cans of ammo from the CMP and no visit from the ATF.
 
during the last "surprise" visit from the ATF (storefront) they were very interested in one internet sale to the texas/mexican border. The paperwork was all in order, dealer to dealer transfer, but they made phone calls (2) to the ATF field office in that location (texas).
I am convinced the mexican border troubles are creating extra field work for these fellas and maybe "fast & furious" caused ripples of investigations
(only guessing)
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I was told that ICE, BTAF, and the Border Patrol in our area with all the LGSs have gotten more particular (to put it nicely). But I do not have the particulars.

On a lighter note I have to go through a Border Patrol check point (yes inside the USA) and verify I am a U.S. citizen when returning form the range; the guys are always professional and at times want to see (fondle) what I was shooting depending on traffic and heat of the day.

We will see what happens when I order the ammo and it is delivered. Order today and should have it in 5 days or so.
 
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I was told that ICE, BTAF, and the Boarder Patrol in our area with all the LGSs have gotten more particular (to put it nicely).
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Same source? FYI, ICE, BATF, and the Border Patrol are ALWAYS here in Texas. ICE doesn't regulate LGSs. The BATF is always particular with their inspections of FFLs.

And yeah, I live in Texas. I do bulk ammo orders. I shoot bulk ammo. I help the UPS driver unload the truck for me. Cops never visit me.
 
And yeah, I live in Texas. I do bulk ammo orders. I shoot bulk ammo. I help the UPS driver unload the truck for me. Cops never visit me.
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Same here; as indicated it appears it might have been a driver. I want to find out if both guys are on the same drivers route.
 
This happened to a member on a Vette forum I am on. The Sheriff took his ammo(3000rds I think). He had to go to the station to pick it up. I will locate the original thread if permitted to.

The Sheriff said his neighbor called the cops because he thought it would get stolen. BS if I ever heard.
 
Certaindeaf said:
I guess a thousand rounds or so is like a million dollars. I heard that if you cash out a million dollars out of your bank account or something, the man will do all like that same same/make a shadow? If only we had a company store!
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Actually, the amount is $10,000 ... deposit or withdrawl, the bank is required to report.
 
Happened a few weeks ago in "the big giveback". It'll be officially announced at this week's convention.
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They are so bright!!! Think of the money the government will save on not having to build fences... :cool:

Wait a minute!! What am I saying??? :what:
 
Called Centerfire systems to confirm they do not have any 556 SP or 7.62x39 in any weight soft point. Sold out.

Called AIM and same story. Both calls made at 0845ish

I use the soft point for hunting feral pigs.
 
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