Bullets and their vendors.

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What I want is consistency. I want the same bullet I ordered last year, again. I want ordering to be click, pay, click, and the bullets hit my doorstep in two weeks. If you're out of stock, tell me up front and when you expect to have more. Don't shine me on. I understand you are a busy business person and you have schedules and other orders and machine problems from time to time. Don't tell me one thing and then ignore me.

Hand cast may be great and all but for pistol practice I don't need or want to pay for your lovingly molded bullets that are caressed from the mold cavities with ostrich feathers while angels strum harps in the background. Get me bulk target bullets that are within specification for size and weight and get me a lot of them.

However much you may enjoy casting by hand I can tell you that (for example) when my order for 25,000 158-grain SWC sized .358" hits your in-box I don't want to wait 60 days for you to cast them. Magma's Bullet Master runs 3000 per hour and a Magma sizer can do 5000 per hour. My order alone will be roughly a week of work and consume 600 pounds of lead. It will ship in 9 USPS medium flat rate boxes. That's $100 in shipping alone. For that you'll get roughly $1200. I currently pay 5 cents apiece for them to my door in bulk. Can you beat that and provide a consistent product that meets minimum specifications?
 
evan, I don't gather that blarby is looking to meet your end of the market, at all. I said roughly the same thing early on and he pointed out that there are several great choices for that mass product already. He's not looking to carve off a part of that market for himself, but to provide a different niche product.
 
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What I want is consistency. I want the same bullet I ordered last year, again. I want ordering to be click, pay, click, and the bullets hit my doorstep in two weeks. If you're out of stock, tell me up front and when you expect to have more. Don't shine me on. I understand you are a busy business person and you have schedules and other orders and machine problems from time to time. Don't tell me one thing and then ignore me.

Hand cast may be great and all but for pistol practice I don't need or want to pay for your lovingly molded bullets that are caressed from the mold cavities with ostrich feathers while angels strum harps in the background. Get me bulk target bullets that are within specification for size and weight and get me a lot of them.

However much you may enjoy casting by hand I can tell you that (for example) when my order for 25,000 158-grain SWC sized .358" hits your in-box I don't want to wait 60 days for you to cast them. Magma's Bullet Master runs 3000 per hour and a Magma sizer can do 5000 per hour. My order alone will be roughly a week of work and consume 600 pounds of lead. It will ship in 9 USPS medium flat rate boxes. That's $100 in shipping alone. For that you'll get roughly $1200. I currently pay 5 cents apiece for them to my door in bulk. Can you beat that and provide a consistent product that meets minimum specifications?
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If you placed that order to these guys it'd be $5187.50 without shipping.. don't know about wait times and that's for a 173gr Keith, the only SWC they sell in .38.

https://beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/display.php?catagory=17

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blarby,

Putting aside our disagreement regarding bullet casting practices itself, since you are going to be a "niche" seller of lead bullets, I would suggest that you explore an area of cast bullets that are rarely offered by the big commercial casters; Hollowpoints. There is a European manufacturer of extremely high quality brass moulds that I have 3 moulds from. These moulds are easy to cast with, and you can set them up to create either solids or hollowpoints. Just MHO.

Don

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I agree, Don.

An example of what you have right there is one of the great things you can do with handles that you cannot do with a machine.

While I prefer a tilt-pin style for production speeds as opposed to a kramer style such as shown above- you have clearly illustrated one of the many things I believe handcasting allows for.
 
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