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Bullets Hitting Sideways?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Pictures, Feb 15, 2011.

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  1. Pictures

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    Somebody posted on a youtube video of mine and made a pretty good observation. They stated that my bullets weren't making holes and said that my bullets might be hitting sideways. Is that possible?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb9IKtgilWw
     
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  2. 1stmarine

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    Yes that is possible. It is called key holing. This could be due to a bad barrel,
    A bad ammo, incorrect ammo, or all of them at the same time.
     
  3. Pictures

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    The gun was brand new, so I'm not sure if the barrel is bad. I was shooting Tula ammo. What should I do at this point?
     
  4. areagan

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    Yup, you sure do have a tumble problem. First change the ammo, try some decent stuff like S&B and if it goes one, find a good gunsmith.
     
  5. Pictures

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    Ok, will do.
     
  6. 1stmarine

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    Pickup a quality ammo and grain of bullet that is appropriate for the rate of twist you have in the barrel. something one have to consider carefully in rifles and not so often a problem in pistols but it can happen
    Also do a visual inspection to make sure every thing looks ok with a nice and smooth barrel and it should be brand new rifling.
    Make sure the rifling goes all the way to the end of the barrel. I have seen CNC machines stop short and this will screw up everything. I hope that you have a warranty if that is the case. Again, very very rare.

    so most likely is the ammo type/ brand or grain selection

    If you give more details about the firearm and the ammo I am pretty sure some folks here can give you even more precise direction but if in doubt do not hesitate to consult with a professional/gunsmith in the area.

    Cheers,
    E.
     
  7. 9mmepiphany

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    You don't have to break the bank on the ammo either...although better ammo will give you more consistent results.

    Just get a box of CCI Blazer or Winchester White Box 230gr FMJ to try out in the gun.

    It does look more like a barrel problem...which brand of gun is it?
     
  8. Pictures

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    It's a Metro Arms American Classic Trophy. Here are the specs:

    Photo of the barrel. Not sure if you can tell anything from that.

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    Ammo info:

    Russian made Tula. .45 Auto. 230 gr FMJ steel cased.
     
  9. W.E.G.

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    Could you have possibly found a CRAPPIER target backer?
    Are you surprised that the bullet holes from that big bullet are shredding the paper on a target that is so poorly supported?

    Mount your targets on a non-shredded heavy cardboard backer if you want to inspect bullet holes.

    Ignore youtube comments.
     
  10. yeti

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    Yeah, hardball doesn't give pretty, neat, round holes to begin with, and that swiss cheese backer couldn't have been helping all that much, but it sure did look like those bullets were keyholing an awful lot by the time they hit the target.

    Try a better target mount and some different ammunition and see if thing turn out a bit better.
     
  11. andre73

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    Tula ammo has a copper washed steel jacket on the bullet as well. Did you recover any of the rounds? Every steel jacketed ammo that I have ever recovered had very shallow (sometimes none) rifling marks on them. American FMJ rounds (copper over lead) generally have deep marks indicating they are engaging the rifling better. Try some Winchester white box before you blame the gun.

    Andre'
     
  12. BlackSky

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    Well there's your problem. Get yourself some american made copper jacket FMJ and my bet is you'll see a big difference. WWB or Fed AmEagle are two reasonably priced and good quality brands for killing paper.
     
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    Better backstop, clean cardboard and all ... then get back to us if you please.

    I never had problems with any of my multiple cheapo purchases.
     
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    It is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that there is an issue with the ammo in this instance.

    I challenge any of you who have suggested that the TULA ammo is keyholing to provide evidence that this ammo has such tendency.
     
  15. Pictures

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    I'll do a whole battery of tests this weekend. Sadly, that cardboard is just what they had at the range. I worked with what I had. I'll make sure it's on something a bit more solid this time around. Stay tuned.
     
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    Bit of an update.

    So, I remembered that soon after that video, I went to my parents and did some target shooting with my dad. We put up a pretty thick piece of particle board and shot at that. So, I got on the horn and asked my mother to take pictures of the bullet holes and send them to me so I could check them out. Here they are:

    shots001.gif
    shots002.gif

    Same gun. Same ammo. Even from the same box.

    I'm thinking it was just the crappy cardboard backstop the first time around. I'll still test it out just in case, but I'm not worried.
     
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    Wondering.....

    Does it look like the barrel has been crowned? If not you'll have problems like this. Has the barrel been damaged on the end to interfere with the crown? Just thought I'd throw these questions out there. It was just something that came to mind.
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  18. Pictures

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    Well, I think the second set of pics show there's nothing wrong with it at all.
     
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    Well, I think I agree.
     
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    Yep!! Nothing wrong with it. Teh barrel looks flawless and the secret it was in the backboard waiting for you. I the video though looks like it was keyholing.

    Make sure next time you put a nice piece of think cardboard and you should be ok. I would not sue the steel cases though ans switch to brass. Learn to reload if you have to it will be better for your gun and your pocket at the end of the day.
     
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    Whoa...

    I think I see the problem...


    Your barrel is all twisted!
     
  22. TH3180

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    My Buck Mark was key holing right out of the box. Here is what I pulled out of the barrel after shooting it's first 100 rounds of CCI SV. Yes you can have a bad barrel out of the box.


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  23. wally

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    Thin paper targets and a shot up or no backboard will do this most of the time.

    Wow I have seen leading in a barrel like that since I stopped buying Remington "Thunderbolt" ammo!

    You sure it was really new?
     
  24. HKGuns

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    No way the ammo is causing that, my bet is the el-cheapo back stop you were using. The ammo was ripping the paper when it went through.
     
  25. TH3180

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    Yup it was new. I watched them cut the sticker at the gun shop so I could inspect it before I bought it. They ordered it in for me and I was there when the UPS man dropped it off. It got sent back to Browning and they put a new barrel on it. Total turn around was 4 days.That inclues the two days it was in shipping.
     
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