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Bullseye vs Unique vs Titegroup

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by arthury, Sep 14, 2012.

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  1. arthury

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    All three are fast burning powders, all have illustrious track records and all are pretty versatile.

    If my intention is to load 45acp & 9mm Luger for competition, which of these are consistently more accurate?
     
  2. Yarddog

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    I don't shoot competition but Unique dose fine in (ALL) my hand guns. They are accurate to boot ; )
    Y/D
     
  3. ljnowell

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    from those three I would pick bullseye. If there was no power factor to be made I would probably pick AA#2, even with powqer factor I might, as long as I could make it safely.
     
  4. Kevin Rohrer

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    Unique is bulkier than Bullseye and safer to use. Double-charges are not your friend.
     
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    I do not know why I am the exception to the rule but Unique meters very consistently for me out of both my Hornady dispenser and my uni-flow. My 44 shoots very accurately with it. I only load 6 grains of it under a cast 240 grain bullet to get about 800fps out of a 4" barrel. In that gun it is a tack driver.
     
  6. ColtPythonElite

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    I also have Hornady and Uniflow measure. Either does just fine with Unique, also.
     
  7. ArchAngelCD

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    Bullseye and Titegroup are fast powders but unique is a medium speed powder. Since you said you're loading 45 Auto and 9mm ammo for competition the powder you use will depend on the bullet weight and power requirements. One powder might not work for both and faster powder usually reach pressure limits before they generate the velocities necessary to make power, especially with heavier bullets.

    More info will help us help you...
     
  8. arthury

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    45ACP
    • Bullet: 230gr FMJ or LRN (moly-coated)
    • Gun: 1911 Govn't model
    • PF: 165,000

    9mm Luger
    • Bullet: 124gr FMJ MG
    • Gun: CZ 75 SP01, Beretta 92A1, Px4
    • PF: 125,000
     
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  9. ArchAngelCD

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    Is there a power factor in the competition you are going to shoot?
     
  10. arthury

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    It's IDPA and so, the usual. I will update the info above.
     
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    It's not too hard to get a 124gr bullet to 1025 fps in the 9mm without going over pressure but doing so with fast powders will increase felt recoil. I have had very good results using HS-6 and Longshot to push a 124gr 9mm bullet to 125 power although Longshot can be loud.

    On the 45 end, 165 is not all that hard to achieve with a 230gr bullet. 800 fps is more than enough and that's not hard to do with most powders. Unique and W231 will easily get you where you need to be.

    If you want to use only 1 powder, of the 3 you mentioned i would definitely go with Unique...
     
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    Unique & Bullseye for the above mentioned reasons....
     
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    BE in .45acp and Unique in 9mm. These are more consistently accurate than me. TG not consistently so much.
     
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    Whichever meters best for you. For me, that rules out Unique.
     
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    I agree Unique does not meter well. I was answering the question as asked. I would also use a different powder, possible 2 different powders.
     
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    Titegroup is the K-Mart of powders. Dirt cheap. Burns not so clean. VERY tiny range of acceptable charge weights. If your powder measure does not like it, your accuracy at best will suffer. At worst you will get a KB. You can triple charge with Titegroup!

    Bullseye and Unique are hard to beat for 45 ACP. I think AA#7 and Power Pistol are the way to go for 9mm with all weights.
     
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    I guess I am the odd man out. I have used all three for loading the basic three (9mm,40 and 45acp). I settled on Titegroup mostly because I felt it was cleaner and more accurate than the others. I don't shoot in any competitions but my sons and I shoot about 2-3K rounds a month and it works for us. I am going to go back and try Unique again. Bullseye is the dirtiest powder I've ever reloaded and I will continue to not use it. What about PowerPistol that is one of my favorites,also.
     
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    I agree AA #2 would be worth trying here. AA #5 will do it easily.

    Of the three powders mentioned, I would use Bullseye or Unique. I don't care that Unique doesn't meter as well as some, it meters well enough and on target results are good.
     
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    I am in the None Of The Above category... almost.

    For .45 CDP and 9mm SSP/ESP I have loaded mostly W231/HP38 for years.
    I have tried this and that fad powder, seldom more than one can each, but always gone back to 231.

    However, I have lately been working with .45 Minor for ESP. It lets me shoot the bigbore without kicking my arthritis around.
    I tried several powders. Flake powders give more uniform velocities than Ball powders like 231, WST, or TG in the 650 fps range. Bullseye meters more precisely than large flakes like Clays, Solo 1000 or 700X. So I am now loading out of only my second can of Bullseye in 40 years... but with a big jug on the shelf.

    The internet rings with cries of Dirty Bullseye, but I have found it to be like my gunsmith says, the residue is black and nasty LOOKING but is physically light and ashy, unlike the gritty fouling from other products.

    Unique is a good compromise powder if you want to cover a wide range of calibers out of one can. But for specific loads you can usually do better.

    So on the OP's list of three, I pick Bullseye.
     
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    I am not a gun-dancer(IDPA, etc) but I would go along with Jim Watson, above. 231 will certainly serve you well if it can make the power factor in 9mm safely.

    I know of a bunch of bulleseye shooters who torture expensive 9mm 1911s into winner's circles in national level competitions. All use Titegroup and Hornady XTP bullets. Don't know how it would get you to your power level in 9mm.
     
  21. arthury

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    Good info, guys. Keep them coming.
     
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    Yep, among pistol powders, Unique is in the middle. Bullseye and Titegroup are much faster burning.


    I disagree with this. Titegroup has a very broad range. Hodgdon's .44Mag data varies from 4.7gr for 800fps up to 10.0gr for almost 1300fps. It is as versatile as Unique but is not position sensitive. I use Titegroup for the same applications I use Unique for. Due to its low density, I use it for those loads of 6.0gr and below, where Unique does not meter so well in my Uniflow.


    That's why you put your eyeball on every case before seating the bullet, regardless of what powder you're using.
     
  23. NC Cruffler

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    Consider Hodgdon Clays. A little goes a long way.
     
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    I too use Unique for all my hand gun loading. I just love the smell of Unique and double charges over flow my .45 ACP cases.

    Bullseye is easy to double charge.

    I don't know about the other powder.
     
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    For 9mm, Titegroup will give you higher velocities than W231/HP-38 with slightly less temperature sensitivity for cold morning chrono checks. IMO, it is more violent with less forgiving pressure spikes at the max charges. With a narrow load range, your high range load data can become max+ in a hurry with a slight bump to the OAL/bullet setback (for 115 gr 9mm, there's only 0.3 gr separating start to max charge :eek:). I do not use Titegroup for 45ACP as there are much better suited powders like Bullseye/WST/W231/HP-38. I only use Titegroup for jacketed/plated bullets. With jacketed/plated bullets (especially with Berry's hollow base TP bullets), it produces very accurate loads. If you are looking for cleaner burning powder that will produce even higher velocities, many shooters like N320 but it costs more and I can't justify the difference in price vs increase in stage scores.

    Bullseye does what it is called - produce very accurate loads. For 9mm, it produces very accurate loads with a "snappy thump" that I kinda enjoy - my wife? No. I used to use W231/HP-38 for less recoil target loads but now I load Missouri 125 gr RN with 4.0 gr of Promo for her. It is still very accurate with much more pleasant recoil and I am growing to like the load very much. With jacketed/plated 9mm bullets, Bullseye consistently produces the smallest shot groups but not for 45ACP. I shoot mostly lead in 45ACP now and 5.0 gr W231/HP-38 with 200 gr SWC bullet keeps producing very consistently small shot groups. 4.0 gr of Promo with 200 gr SWC produces the lightest recoil 45ACP target load that is also very accurate.

    I tried but can't meter Unique well enough to produce accurate shot groups ... I know, it's me. ;)
     
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