Burial Tube

[BigGuy52]

Using a burial tube may one day be necessary.

Does anyone use them right now?

I've looked for them at the usual places such as Cheaperthandirt, only to find like other gun related items are on a major backorder.

Could they be hand made from say, PVC pipe and still be reliable?

 

[kingpin008]

If it's time to bury them, it's time to dig them up.

 

[Mp7]

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there was a big thread on sum1 doing exactly that.
And he had done it x years ago and made a photo-story
about how well it worked.

i´d say Mosins and tt33s would be good.

 

[Joe Demko]

Eventually, it might be necessary to do some burying; but it won't be guns. Fight the smart fight now, in the PR and political arenas and it won't be necessary to bury anything.

 

[Wild Bill]

Don't really buy into the concept of a burial tube (at 6' 3" I might need a 45 gallon drum instead ), but I have made a couple of handy target holders from 4" and 6" sewer pipe.

Pipe, hacksaw, end cap, screw-in filler cap, pvc glue, and a few minutes on the workbench should give you what you need relatively cheaply.

 

[runrabbitrun]

IMO...
If it's time to bury them, it's time to dig them up.

But yea, PVC can do the trick as Wild Bill just pointed out.
Cheap too.

 

[Vonderek]

Since we're talking guns I agree with the others as far as if it's necessary to bury 'em it's more necessary to be using them. However, a burial tube may have utility for hiding other non-gun related things like coins, gems, etc. Keep in mind though that if we're ever in a situation where we find a need to bury guns, ammo and gold that they will be easily found with detection equipment.

I knew some people whose father was supposedly an arms dealer operating out of Miami Beach. The story was that after the mother killed the father in his sleep for being unfaithful, the govt. came to his house with backhoes and dug up the place. I didn't believe it until I visited the home. The yard looked like Verdunne--grass grown over craters...a green lunar landscape.

If you're going to bury anything in tubes, bury the tubes vertically and bury metal scrap liberally throughout the area.

 

[mudstud]

I've heard there is a run on PVC sewer pipe and end caps! Better get it now!





OK, this is a joke!

 

[sherman123]

I'm another one who agrees "if it's time to bury em it's time to dig em' up". However PVC sounds like a good plan(maybe you had some SPARE weapons you wanted to stash for awhile) Whatever the reason, I know from experience that putting it in a plastic ziploc(the kind with the zipper on top) and then putting that ziploc in 3 or 4 other bags should do a good job of protecting it from moisture. I know this from experience I kept everything dry as before I buried it. Moisture never even got through the first bag but having a few was just insurance for me. More of a quick solution than a replacement for pipes.

 

[rcmodel]

Oh Boy!

More stuff for the treasure hunters of the future to hunt for.

When you get old, you forget where you buried stuff!

The metal detector guys are still finding fruit jars of old coins left over from the "post hole banks" of the 1930's bank failure scare.

rc

 

[gbw]

The metal detector guys are still finding fruit jars of old coins left over from the "post hole banks" of the 1930's bank failure scare.

Except it wasn't a scare. Major numbers of banks and related institutions that were thought to be healthy did fail. Was burying jars of gold coins the right strategy? I don't know. I do know it was not irrational.

So does it make sense to prepare to 'long term store' some small quanitity of guns and ammo? Again, I don't know.

I do know I have never seen (I'm 60ish), nor would I have predicted as possible or even likely, events such as we have actually seen the past 1.5 years. So in all honesty I'm less prepared to scoff than I used to be.

 

[Dunkelheit]

Here is a good story

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html

 

[ThomasT]

I think I would rather have a hidden place in my house. Like inside of the walls or a hidden space behind something. I have a couple of spots that would work just fine for that.

The last time I hid something it was a book of stamps. My wife is always "Borrowing" stamps from me. She never pays them back. I hid the stamps in one spot. Then moved them to a better spot. Then I moved them once more to the best spot of all. And forgot where that was.

I was still trying to find those stamps when we moved from that house. I think they were the 29 cent version. They are still hid as far as I know. I ain't gonna bury nuthin'.:banghead:

 

[ThomasT]

I forgot to add that on the firing line rifle forum is a link to the guy that burried a mini-14 for 15 years IIRC.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13087631/How-to-Bury-a-Gun-and-Ammo

I'm a nice guy. I went and got the link for you.

 

[RP88]

well, if you're going to bury a gun collection, be smart about it; don't choose your yard for all of them. Choose a very, very remote place that does not have to worry about flooding, travelers, and will never, ever be developed. I'm not one for burying them, but if that is something you'd consider, treat it like buried treasure, and put it where only a person with a map can get to it.

 

[Carlos Cabeza]

"Cache It" !!!!

Google it and read the many suggestions and uses for such storage techniques.

One can have a "cache" and it be readily accessible at a moments notice or have the option of long term storage without fear of loss.

 

[mljdeckard]

The mods don't TEOTWAWKI threads, this might get locked, but,

Burying something only makes sense if you have a reliable plan to dig it back up. If the only person who knows where it is is YOU, and then YOU take a dirt nap, it wasn't such a great idea. If you tell other people where it is, then the location is compromised. Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead.

My state has PLENTY of wide open places I could hide something like this where no one else would ever find it.

When you say, "If it's time to bury them, it's time to dig them up." this makes good sense generally speaking, but it doesn't eliminate the need to say, SPLIT your resources so that they won't be taken by surprise. There is also the legality. If in fact it comes to criminalization and confiscation, it could be argued that if they are no longer in your possession, and no one can prove otherwise, you no longer own them.

IF I were to do such a thing, (and I really don't ever see myself doing it,) I would choose a location remote enough to not be easily targeted in a radius search. It would have to be a place I could easily find again with landmarks, as GPS may not be a reliable resource in the future. I would stash weapons that have shown to be good in long-term storage, (Russian guns and ammo,) pack them in grease, load the guns, ammo, basic cleaning supplies and some dessicant in a 12" PVC pipe with glued endcaps, and bury it to a depth of two meters.

 

[ants]

You also need to bury 2 or 3 'decoy' tubes. When they waterboard you, those are the locations you give.

And never bury them in your own yard. That's the first place they'll look.

 

[rcmodel]

Was burying jars of gold coins the right strategy? I don't know. I do know it was not irrational.

I also know a lot of them were never dug up by the rightful owners.

Old age senility? Moved away and forgot them? Sickness & death?

For whatever reason, burying the money didn't turn out well for them or their heirs because people with metal detectors are still finding & digging them up 80+ years later.

rc

 

[Dark Skies]

To answer the original poster's question. For ammo and handguns you might consider the polypropylene tubes that tank sabots are packed in. They're very thick and come with a rubber sealed screw top with a folding carrying handle. I use them for keeping my sandblasting media in. I usually get them off ebay from army surplus outlets.

 

[TAB]

something to think about... a decent metal decetor will find a gun under several feet of soil. so if think thats going to work to hide it, think again.

 

[Carlos Cabeza]

Apparently this isn't the venue for a discussion on the subject of "cacheing".:banghead:

There are NUMEROUS reasons to hide something from somebody. Cacheing is not the only method but can be effective in the right application.

Hiding a "cache" of items may or may not include a firearm and its accoutrements.

As far as WHO I'm hiding WHAT from is NOYB !

A PVC tube buried vertically is a good start.

 

[Acera]

For all you "If it's time to bury them, it's time to dig them up " guys out there.

Some people might mean bury some of them. I would not bury all my collection, however some that pose a particular interest to the anti-gun establishment is a viable option. Those will probably be "sold at a gun show, and lost money on the deal" type answers for those who ask me to claim and/or register some of the particularly useful types of rifles and handguns.

I will always keep a good complement of self defense weapons around the house, but not all of them.

I would hate to loose everything in one "event".

 

[bigfatdave]

An interesting thought experiment, and a very interesting real-world effort by Charles Wood (the backwoodshome article).
I like the PVC plan, but a buried PVC pipe setting off a metal detector is pretty obvious.
Why not bury your "time capsule" in/with a chunk of scrap metal? Do the PVC and bagging plan, add plenty of desiccant, purge with nitrogen or carbon dioxide, seal it up, and plunk it into a junk metal container, preferably one that appears to be something unpleasant, discouraging tampering. You of course don't want something so nasty-looking that an unwanted finder calls the EPA or Sheriff.
Perhaps a 55 gallon drum labeled as "asbestos waste", and stuffed with industrial scrap and sawdust?
Or re-purpose a pet casket and label it "beloved Fido, faithful companion", adding a large metallic latch and lock to explain the ferrous content?

I would not bury all my collection, however some that pose a particular interest to the anti-gun establishment is a viable option.

If one was burying such things, the older, simpler, more durable ones might be the best candidates. WWI/II relics, old revolvers, non-semi-auto rifles, survival rifles, etc etc.

 

[Hardtarget]

I bought my home in '73 from Mr. Johnson. The last time I saw him...about '75, he told me he had hidden some money in the house...but he never could find it. If i found it, give him a call. I never looked for it but I'm sure it isn't in this house. My bet is his grandson found it long before I came around.

So if you hide stuff in your house...don't forget where!

I shot with a gun club here in Nashville. One of the guys came in and we noticed this concerned look on his face. Seems he hid a gun...in his house...and could not locate it! He found all but this one gun, knew it was somewhere in the house, just couldn't lay hand on it!

So, if you hide stuff....

Lets just not let them get us to that point!

Mark