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Bush approval dips below 40 percent

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  1. rick_reno

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    "In addition, a sizable plurality prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress..."

    Amazing. Bush might have to start "doing President" - and not just his act of "being President". He continues to pave the road for Hillary.


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9672058/

    WASHINGTON - It has been weeks since Hurricane Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast; since gas prices began spiking to record highs; and since Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, held her antiwar vigil outside President Bush’s Texas ranch. But, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, the fortunes of the Bush administration and the Republican Party have not yet begun to recover.

    For the first time in the poll, Bush’s approval rating has sunk below 40 percent, while the percentage believing the country is heading in the right direction has dipped below 30 percent. In addition, a sizable plurality prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress, and just 29 percent think Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers is qualified to serve on the nation’s highest court.

    "Any way you slice this data, I think these are just terrible sets of numbers," said Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.

    The poll shows that Bush’s approval rating stands at 39 percent, a new low for the president. In the last NBC/Wall Street Journal survey, which was released in mid-September, 40 percent approved of Bush’s job performance while 55 percent disapproved. In addition, just 28 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction, another all-time low in Bush’s presidency.

    Strikingly, much has happened in the time between those two polls — many of them seemingly positive events for the White House. The president delivered a prime-time speech from New Orleans, in which he promised to rebuild the Gulf Coast. He also made several more visits to the region, to examine the damage caused by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Furthermore, he saw the Senate confirm John Roberts to the Supreme Court, and he nominated Miers, his White House counsel, to replace retiring Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor.

    ‘Huge question mark’ on Miers
    The Miers nomination, however, has disappointed some of the president’s conservative supporters, because they say she lacks judicial experience and a clear conservative record on social issues. According to the poll, 29 percent say she’s qualified to serve on the Supreme Court, while 24 percent think she’s unqualified. Forty-six percent say they don’t know enough about her.

    "There is nothing to suggest that people have turned on her," Hart said. "But there is just a huge question mark behind her at this stage. She has to establish her own bona fides."

    The poll, which has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points and which was conducted from Oct. 8-10 of 807 adults, also finds that strong majorities don’t believe that the recent charges against GOP leaders Tom DeLay of Texas and Bill Frist of Tennessee are politically motivated. Sixty-five percent say that DeLay’s indictment on charges of illegally using corporate contributions for political campaigns suggests potential illegal activity, while 24 percent say the indictment is politics as usual and has little merit. (Since his indictment, DeLay stepped down from his leadership position but still plays a prominent role in the U.S. House of Representatives.)

    Meanwhile, 57 percent say Frist’s sale of stock in a company his family runs — just before the value of the stock declined — indicates potential illegal activity, compared with 28 percent who say the charge has little merit.

    48 percent want Democratic-controlled Congress
    In addition, with 13 months until the 2006 congressional elections, 48 percent say they prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who want the Republicans to control Capitol Hill. In fact, that nine-point difference is the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC/Journal poll has been tracking this question.

    But Hart argues that Democrats aren’t necessarily responsible for this margin. "It is not that Democrats have done so well," he said. "It is that people are disgusted." McInturff puts it this way: "People are very turned off and unhappy with the state of play in American politics."

    People also seem to be turned off and unhappy with high gas prices. According to the survey, 69 percent believe the worst is still to come with energy and fuel prices. Just 25 percent think the worst is behind us.

    Because of this generally sour attitude, the NBC/Journal pollsters doubt that Bush will be able to climb out of his standing anytime soon. "His trampoline [is] made of cement," Hart said.

    And while McInturff thinks that Bush’s approval rating actually may actually hover between 40 and 45 percent, he says that’s still problematic terrain from which to govern. "It is a very difficult place to be."
     
  2. R.H. Lee

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    Yep. By the time he leaves office we'll be wondering how the hell he ever got elected in the first place.

    Oh, yeah. Now I remember. The lesser of two evils.............
     
  3. telewinz

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    I don't have to wait that long, I've regretted my choice since last summer and each new day seems to add to my list of reasons for regret. George has done more damage to the future of conservatism than any democrat. In 90 days George will have the lowest approval rating since they kept track. What a squandered opportunity, what a tragedy. :( Yep, the party of family values with Elmer Fudd at the helm. :rolleyes:
     
  4. bountyhunter

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    This is a genuine source of fear: you saw Bush in the last five years, now imagine Bush with NOTHING to lose....... his approval ratings are so low they can't fall any lower (they are at core base value for GOP members).


    God help us all.
     
  5. RealGun

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    Nice going, rick_reno. This should make a great Bush bashing thread. :rolleyes:
     
  6. rick_reno

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    Hey, I didn't write it. I'd like nothing better than to see Bush come around to what I believe are his conservative core values.
     
  7. enfield

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    Wouldn't it be scary if GWB was actually RUNNING FOR OFFICE? Brrrrrr.
     
  8. MechAg94

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    I certainly wish he hadn't done some of the things he had done, but I don't regret voting for him. All I have to do is hear Al Gore or John Kerry speak and I am reminded the absolutely horrible candidates the Dems put up there. I hear Dems lament how bad President Bush is, but I just laugh that they couldn't find anyone better.

    On a historical note, Presidents often have poor approval ratings mid-term. It ain't the first time and he ain't the first one to have them.
     
  9. telewinz

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    True but can you accept that Bush may become less popular than Carter? A man is judged by the company he keeps.
     
  10. AirForceShooter

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    If he really figures out he has nothing to lose he just might pull it out.

    AFS
     
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    Actually, I think Carter was judged by the state of the economy under his leadership and his lackluster record with the Cold War. I have no idea what company he kept.

    Bush is doing fine on the economy especially by comparrison to Carter. Bush was doing well with the War on Terror. We will have to wait and see how the next few years turn out for Iraq.
     
  12. Lone_Gunman

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    Wow. I am glad you think so, but I certainly don't.

    The economy is in the process of going down the toilet. Interest Rates are increasing. The stock market is at a 6 month low. Oil prices are high, and we are about to enter the winter months where demand will be high.

    Now Bush wants to also change the tax breaks involved with home ownership. I think that will make the problem worse, as there will be less incentive to buy a home. I think the real estate market will tank if his changes are made.

    I don't see good times ahead. Cash will be king for the next few years.
     
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    The only difference I can see 'tween the current economy and that of the Carter years is that we don't have "stagflation" to worry about. Yet. But rising interest rates and general inflation are still factors present, and while I may be an odd case, I don't see the current economy as "Booming". I've not seen any salary increases in four+ years, a lot of the jobs I'm currently qualified/experinced for are now in India & the rest of the Pacific Rim.
     
  14. AZRickD

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    I despise these generic "wrong direction" polls. They never publish who is saying what. Are the respondents asked what is the right direction? Oh, they want lower gas prices? Do they have a solution? Just one example -- how many of them know there hasn't been a refinery built since 1976? Do they know that The Church of Environmentalism has stopped new drilling?

    Is Bush losing more from conservatives, centerists, non-aligned, core GOP?

    Rick
     
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    I regret having such poor choices for POTUS. Bush is hurting the Republican Party. Without borders, unlimited federal spending, vague "War on Terror and his inability to communicate to the American people (i.e.: promote a minor privatization of Social Security) Bush has moved this country in the wrong direction. I credit him for Tax Cuts, initial 9/11 response and the initial invasion of Iraq... follow-up was a disaster. He was better than Gore and Kerry, but his poor leadership has opened the door for Hillary.

    The media promotes his reduced job approval as if this means that he should move left. I believe that the truth is that he would climb in the polls if he didn't allow terrorist to cross the Syrian and Iranian border by attacking them inside of these countries. He would climb with a reasonable U.S. border policy. His betrayal of the conservatives that put him in power has limited our "just trust him" approach to the black robes.
     
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    EDITED FOR BREVITY:

    Right now it's fashionable to be a pessimist. Bush's numbers reflect this. Eventually, people's perceptions will begin to realign themselves with reality that our country isn't actually going to hell in a handbasket.
     
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    I agree, HTG....

    "Right now it's fashionable to be a pessimist. Bush's numbers reflect this. Objectively, things are a lot better than most people think. Eventually, people's perceptions will begin to realign themselves with reality that our country is in fine shape. Bush's numbers will go back up."
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    I'm pleased to have voted for "Dubya" both elections 'cause he is a far better choice for us than either Gore or Kerry would have been.

    "Dubya's not perfect, but he's still far preferable than either of the other electable options. :D

    I'd like to be a bit more convinced about Harriet Miers, though.
     
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    After my mother spanked me she wouldn't have won a whole lot of junyo-based opinion polls. Doesn't mean I didn't deserve the spanking or that it wasn't the right thing to do. One of the primary positives about Bush is that unlike the bend with the prevailing breeze, govern by opinion poll goobers that have been put up against him, he takes the long view and doesn't really care what people think. One of the primary problems in this country, IMHO, is that we have an obsession with quick fixes and window dressing over long term strategy and planning, popularity contests over historical prospective. If Bush achieves nothing but MidEastern democracy, and a reliable Supreme Court it'll make him one of the great presidents of the last century. Weekly/daily/hourly approval ratings are meaningless in that context.
     
  19. telewinz

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    :what:
     
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    I felt sick to my stomach when I filled in the little bubble with Bush's name next to it, and I feel sick now. Why oh why hadn't I voted for Badnarik, like my conscience told me to?

    Oh wait, that whole "lesser of two evils" thing. I got suckered. :banghead:
     
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    Yeah, you'd feel so much better if Kerry were President, signing a new, improved AWB, giving the terrorists a handy date/time schedule of US departure from Iraq so they can lay low and garner their strength for a full scale civil war, and submitting the rest of US policy for EU approval. But at least Badnarik's vote total would've risen from "negligible" to "slightly more than negligible".

    Badnarik was unelectable in anything but the Bizarro universe, yet he was the Lib nominee. Why? Because libertarians by and large don't care about actually solving any problem, it's about being right in theory, and reserving the right to whine. Losing is actually preferable, that way the libertarian idea is never actually exposed to a real world test that potentially invalidates their pet theory. You feel like a sucker? Welcome to the real world. Sometimes all the choices suck, and the optimum decision is least sucktacular.

    So again, the real question is would you feel less like a sucker if Kerry were President? Because that's the only other realistic option. As much as people gripe over Bush's SCOTUS picks, what would President Kerry have done with them? There may very well be another vacancy before the end of this term, so this Presidency is probably setting the course of the court for at least the next 40 years. You really think a symbolic vote that gives that kind of power to the Great Waffler would really make you feel better? Regret is a wasted emotion.
     
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    You mean our Republican Congress would have passed an AWB? That's bad news for the one issue voters. BTW; Bush is on record stating that HE would sign an AWB if it crossed his desk.
     
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    How predictable was all of this?

    The conservatives won't vote a Democrat in when a Republican is running because they think there might be some conservatives steering the boat.

    The Liberals won't vote for a Republican for the same reasons.

    GW comes along and advertises himself as milk toast dead in the center, and acts like it.

    So, given the choices of left/right/middle and the capacity to pull off the election, GW gets the white house because he is in the center!

    Now, the conservatives are mad because he is not conservative enough.
    The liberals are mad because they think he is a conservative war-manger spend too much, even though their man Kerry said "he would do the same thing, only better", whatever that means.

    Bush gets blamed for things which are his fault as well as things which are not. All this yelling about wanting someone in the middle turns out to be exactly what a lot of Americans DON'T want, and don't understand. I don't think the term "compassionate conservatism" has been defined-although it was much bandied about.

    The President's America thinks of as real leaders were never "middle of the road". What we want is someone who is headed in a postive direction-might not agree with that direction sometimes, but we would like to be able to at least understand it.

    I hear Strother Martin in my ears right now (Cool Hand Luke) saying, "What we have here, is failure to communicate!"
     
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    Middle of the Road or not Bush's problems are a lack of leadership and his inability to do anymore than to react to problems. Most of his proactive initiatives have been a dismal failure (Iraq, Social Security) even with a Republican Congress! Elmer Fudd had better luck catching Bugs Bunny :D
     
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    "Elmer Fudd had better luck catching Bugs Bunny"

    That is most certainly NOT true. By the time Elmer had Bugs dead to rights, he had "no more buwwits" :D
     
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