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Bush Let Assault Weapons Back On America's Streets (Helen Thomas Alert)

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  1. GSB

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    http://www.thebostonchannel.com/helenthomas/3734138/detail.html

    Bush Let Assault Weapons Back On America's Streets

    Kerry Says President Shirking Responsibility

    POSTED: 5:24 pm CDT September 15, 2004
    Assault weapons will soon be back on America's streets again -- thanks to President George W. Bush and Congress.

    Bush let the 10-year ban die on the deadly weapons -- good for mass murder -- by not taking a vigorous leadership role to persuade Congress to extend the ban.

    His spokesman, Scott McClellan, told reporters that Bush would sign an extension if it crossed his desk, saying the president's views "are well known."

    "Congress is well aware of the president's position," said McClellan. But he made it clear Bush would not lobby for it. In the absence of presidential leadership, Congress wasn't going to leap into action.

    The inaction by the president and Congress has made a lot of members of the National Rifle Association happy -- and the NRA has reciprocated with political support and campaign contributions.

    But what about the safety of the American people? Do they count with Bush and those on Capitol Hill who did not lift a finger to stop these dangerous weapons from returning?

    In deciding not to lift a finger, Bush ignored police chiefs who have been urging that the law be renewed. They know what harm these weapons can bring.

    Congress passed the ban in 1944 on 19 assault weapons, customarily the type used by the military, and decreed that the law would expire this week unless renewed.

    By allowing the law to lapse, Congress has signaled that it might next end the ban on handguns within Washington, D.C. The nation's capital now has a 100 percent ban on firearms of any kind.

    Sarah Brady, an outspoken leader in behalf of gun control, laid the blame for this mess right on Bush's doorstep. On CBS' "The Early Show," Brady said the "real onus" falls on Bush, who, she said, exerted "absolutely no leadership" to keep the ban alive.

    "We have a president and leadership in the House and Senate that simply do not want to face this," she added.

    Sarah's husband, Jim Brady, was President Ronald Reagan's press secretary and was severely wounded in an assassination attempt on Reagan in 1981.

    Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential challenger, accused Bush of shirking his responsibility to protect the country from crime and terrorism by not helping to extend the ban.

    In remarks to the National Association of Police Organizations, a coalition of more than 2,000 police unions and associations, Kerry said Bush had made "the job of terrorists easier and made the job of America's law enforcement officers harder" by refusing to work for an extension of the ban.

    Kerry also won the political endorsement of the police association.

    In a letter to the New York Times Monday, Robert Morgenthau, the district attorney for New York County, said the assault weapons ban has become widely accepted, even among gun owners.

    The ban has made us all safer, Morgenthau said. He added that the end of the ban "will needlessly jeopardize our police; one in five officers killed in the line of duty between 1998 and 2001 was killed with an assault weapons, according to an analysis of FBI data."

    An assault weapon does not serve a hunter unless he wants to blast the prey to mincemeat. What is this desire to have a weapon that can be so devastating and can kill so many people in one burst?

    The gun manufacturers obviously are glad to be back in business. By its silence, the Republican-dominated Congress has given the NRA its political payoff.

    I'd like to hear the president explain why assault weapons are needed in the hands of civilians.
     
  2. Tamara

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    Perhaps true if shooting 40gr .223 at prairie dogs. :scrutiny:
     
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    Thanks for the heads up. I'll be driving home pretty soon, I'll keep an eye out-don't want to run over 'em and get flat tire or sumpthin'.........
     
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    Where the hell are these streets the media always talks about? I don't see any "assault weapons" on my street. Is it like seeing Jesus in an oil spot, where you have to look real hard for a few minutes?
     
  6. RavenVT100

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    Here is my reply recently submitted to the discussion boards' moderator:

    I am not sure who this Helen Thomas person is, as I am not from the Boston area, but the article she has written regarding the Assault Weapons Ban was clearly not fact-checked. I am not a partisan individual; however this is an issue that I happen to be quite familiar with and I can only hope that this Helen Thomas is not an actual journalist and this is a once-off opinion piece. Her article shows a remarkable lack of journalistic integrity as it is incredibly factually wrong.

    Let me address the factual errors in the piece:

    "Congress passed the ban in 1944 on 19 assault weapons, customarily the type used by the military, and decreed that the law would expire this week unless renewed."

    This is untrue. The ban was passed in 1994, not 1944. Also, no military in the world uses any of the weapons that were banned, as none of them have select-fire or automatic capability. Modern military fire tactics demand that standard-issue rifles have this ability.

    Next:

    "An assault weapon does not serve a hunter unless he wants to blast the prey to mincemeat. What is this desire to have a weapon that can be so devastating and can kill so many people in one burst?"

    The weapons covered under the ban are all semiautomatic rifles, some of which are used quite frequently in the hunting of medium-sized game. They are incapable of automatic or "burst" fire. Furthermore, they are often far less powerful than ordinary hunting rifles due to the fact that they used ammunition that is intended to be fired in bursts, yet they are incapable of burst fire. This produces shots that are far weaker than that produced by a conventional hunting rifle.

    Therefore, the truth is exactly the opposite of what has been stated regarding hunting. These rifles' relative lack of use in hunting is due more to the fact that they have difficulty taking down game animals that are deer-sized or larger due to being underpowered. Rifles covered under the assault weapons ban were typically used for "varminting," i.e. the hunting of small pest animals on farmland, as the .223 round (one of the primary cartridges chambered by some of the weapons) is the smallest and least-powerful "real caliber" rifle round there is. The military uses it only with weapons that are capable of select-fire. The weapons covered under this ban are not capable of such fire and are not used by the military.

    Finally:

    "The gun manufacturers obviously are glad to be back in business. By its silence, the Republican-dominated Congress has given the NRA its political payoff."

    Gun manufacturers were always in business; they simply switched to manufacturing weapons that were not banned. This will not affect gun manufacturers in any measurable financial sense, except for possibly a slight increase in revenue due to the amount of press this subject has been given in recent weeks.

    I hope that clarifies some of the inaccuracies that were found in this article. It is my hope that its author will research the subject of her news articles in the future, because journalism carries with it the responsibility not to confuse the public with incorrect information on important issues.
     
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    Bush Let Assault Weapons Back On America's Streets

    Good for him.
    He gets my vote.
     
  8. BerettaNut92

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    Darn.

    I live on the wrong street.

    :(
     
  9. Standing Wolf

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    I knew there had to be an explanation for its violent crime rate.

    Hey, Zak! Tell me about the scope on that rifle, please. Link?
     
  10. SAG0282

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    Dur....why does she think I'm voting for him??

    I really despise these people.
     
  11. Mulliga

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    Dude, that's the scope. The ACOG baby. TA31?
     
  12. Zak Smith

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    I PM'd S.W. with the info. It's actually a TA11.

    -z
     
  13. GSB

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    I though everyone knew who rabid Bush-hater Helen Thomas is, that's why I mentioned her in the title. I shouldn't have assumed that. Keep in mind the following is a puff piece on her.

    http://www.aeispeakers.com/Thomas-Helen.htm

    Commonly referred to as “The First Lady of the Press,†former White House Bureau Chief Helen Thomas is a trailblazer, breaking through barriers for women reporters while covering every President since John F. Kennedy. For 57 years, Helen also served as White House correspondent for United Press International. She recently left this post and joined Hearst Newspapers as a syndicated columnist.

    Born in Winchester, Kentucky, Helen was raised in Detroit, Michigan where she attended public schools and later graduated from Wayne State University. Upon leaving college, she served as a copy girl on the old, now defunct Washington Daily News. In 1943, Ms. Thomas joined United Press International and the Washington Press Corps.

    For 12 years, Helen wrote radio news for UPI, her work day beginning at 5:30am. Eventually she covered the news of the Federal government, including the FBI and Capitol Hill.

    In November, 1960, Helen began covering then President-elect John F. Kennedy, following him to the White House in January, 1961 as a member of the UPI team. It was during this first White House assignment that Helen began closing presidential press conferences with “Thank you, Mr. President.â€

    In September, 1971, Pat Nixon scooped Helen by announcing her engagement to Associated Press’ retiring White House correspondent, Douglas B. Cornell at a White house party hosted by then President Nixon in honor of Cornell.

    Helen was the only woman print journalist traveling with then President Nixon to China during his breakthrough trip in January, 1972. She has the distinction of having traveled around the world several times with Presidents Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, and Clinton, and Bush, Jr., during the course of which she covered every Economic Summit. The World Almanac has cited her as one of the 25 Most Influential Women in America.

    Helen Thomas has written three books, including her latest, Thanks for the Memories Mr. President: Wit and Wisdom from the Front Row at the White House.
     
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    I was serious in what I had written that I didn't know who she was. I thought she was just some opinion columnist, heh.
     
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    GSB, I don't think you really had to post a link that included that PICTURE, did you?;)
     
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    So in other words ... Helen Thomas is senile.

    As for Sarah Brady -- she above all others knows that her husband was shot with a handgun, not an assault weapon. In fact, if memory serves me correctly it was a revolver, not even some evil "automatic" handgun with an evil "high capacity" magazine.

    Furthermore, I'm sure what's his name did not have it legally. In for a penny, in for a pound. If the law(s) he broke didn't keep him from trying to shoot Ronnie Raygun, what's another law or three going to do?
     
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    I wonder if I can get the dealership to install a cow-catcher on the front of my car? Running over all these guns in the street is murder on tire life, you know.
     
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    Well, thats her problem! If I had to live in Detroit for my childhood, I'd probably be anti gun too.
     
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    1. Why do these people keep talking about hunters? The second amendment IS NOT about hunter's rights. It is about the rights of the "people" to keep and bear arms.

    2. :eek:
     
  20. GigaBuist

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    A 22 caliber revolver.
     
  21. boofus

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    Sarah Brady has degenerated into a Gollum like creature that only cares about her PRECIOUSSSSS ban.

    Have you seen the latest photos of the wench? She even looks like Gollum now.
     
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    I agree with jefnvk...Detroit MUST be her problem!

    Because, had she stayed in Winchester, KY, she'd be carrying her own guns, instead of talking crap about them. For those who don't know, Winchester is about 20-25 miles east of Lexington, KY. It's a (or was, it's growing up a bit now) fairly rural town, and most folks there are your typical "good-ole country folk". If you've ever traveled thru KY on I-64 around the Lexington area, then you've passed through Winchester.
     
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    Responsibility to whom?:scrutiny:
     
  24. Bruce H

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    Why doesn't Helen Thomas and Sarah Brady follow the ban by doing the same thing?
     
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