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Bush: Military may have to help if bird flu breaks out

Discussion in 'Legal' started by rick_reno, Oct 4, 2005.

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  1. rick_reno

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    cluck, cluck, cluck. I see some bird flu in our future.

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/04/bush.avianflu/index.html

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Tuesday that the possibility of an avian flu pandemic is among the reasons he wants Congress to give him the power to use the nation's military in law enforcement roles in the United States.

    "I'm concerned about what an avian flu outbreak could mean for the United States and the world," he told reporters during a Rose Garden news conference.

    Such an deadly event would raise difficult questions, such as how a quarantine might be enforced, he said.

    "One option is the use of a military that's able to plan and move," he said. "So that's why I put it on the table. I think it's an important debate for Congress to have."

    People who catch the worst strain of avian flu can die of viral pneumonia and acute respiratory distress, according to mayoclinic.com.

    The disease has killed tens of millions of birds in Asia.

    Last week, the U.N.'s health agency, the World Health Organization, sought to ease fears that the disease could kill as many as 150 million people worldwide.

    "We're not going to know how lethal the next pandemic is going to be until the pandemic begins," WHO influenza spokesman Dick Thompson said, according to The Associated Press.

    The consequences of an outbreak in the United States need to be addressed before catastrophe strikes, Bush said.

    The president said that he sees things differently than he did as governor of Texas. "I didn't want the president telling me how to be the commander in chief of the Texas Guard," he said. "But Congress needs to take a look at circumstances that may need to vest the capacity of the president to move beyond that debate. And one such catastrophe or one such challenge could be an avian flu outbreak."

    Should avian flu mutate and gain the ability to spread easily from human to human, world leaders and scientists would need rapid access to accurate information to be able to stem its spread, he said.

    "We need to know, on a real-time basis, the facts, so the world's scientific community could analyze the facts," he said.

    Bush said he has spoken with Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, about work toward a vaccine, but that means of prevention remains a distant hope.

    "I take this issue very seriously," Bush said. "I'm not predicting an outbreak, but just suggesting to you we ought to be thinking about it, and we are."

    Absent an effective vaccine, public health officials likely would try to stem the disease's spread by isolating people who had been exposed to it. Such a move could require the military, he said.

    "I think the president ought to have all options on the table," Bush said, then corrected himself, "all assets on the table -- to be able to deal with something this significant."

    The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 bans the military from participating in police-type activity on U.S. soil.

    Bush began discussing the possibility of changing the law last month, in the aftermath of the government's sluggish response to civil unrest following Hurricane Katrina.

    "I want there to be a robust discussion about the best way for the federal government, in certain extreme circumstances, to be able to rally assets for the good of the people," he told reporters September 26.

    Gene Healy, a senior editor at the conservative Cato Institute, said Bush would risk undermining "a fundamental principle of American law" by tinkering with the act, which does not hinder the military's ability to respond to a crisis.

    "What it does is set a high bar for the use of federal troops in a policing role," he wrote in a commentary on the group's Web site. "That reflects America's traditional distrust of using standing armies to enforce order at home, a distrust that's well-justified."

    Healy said soldiers are not trained as police officers, and putting them in a civilian law enforcement role "can result in serious collateral damage to American life and liberty."

    Last month, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Bush "wants to make sure that we learn the lessons from Hurricane Katrina," including the use of the military in "a severe, catastrophic-type event."

    "The Department of Defense would assume the responsibility for the situation, and come in with an overwhelming amount of resources and assets, to help stabilize the situation," McClellan said.

    The World Health Organization has reported 116 cases of avian flu in humans, all of them in Asia. More than half of them have been fatal, it said.

    On Thursday, the Senate added $4 billion to a Pentagon spending bill to head off the threat of an outbreak of avian flu among humans. The bulk of the money -- $3 billion -- would be used to stockpile Tamiflu, an antiviral drug that has proved effective against the H5N1 virus -- the strain blamed for six deaths in Indonesia last week.

    U.S. health agencies have about 2 million doses of Tamiflu, enough to treat about 1 percent of the population. The money added by the Senate would build that stockpile to cover about 50 percent of the population.
     
  2. Chaz

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    As I posted in another thread; This is a scary statement. I am currently at a loss for words as I never expected to hear this from that man. This nanny staty bull dink is going WAY too far! :cuss:
     
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    visions of that movie "outbreak" come to mind.. doesn't seem so far fetched.
     
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    We're being conditioned. They're buying us drinks now and they're getting ready to drop in the "date rape" pill. We're...fornicated.
    Biker
     
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    The important thing is we disarm people before they can get delirious and harm the children. :mad:
     
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    Previous threads on the bird flu were locked by moderators, against my protest, because it was not felt to be related to the purpose of this board...

    Looks like George Bush has done his part to make this a legitimate political topic. Hate to be an "I told you so", but I told you so.
     
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    Avian flu: one more great achievement of globalism.
     
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    <sigh>
    Is there any way back?
     
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    Nope. No reset button for our country, I'm afraid.
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    All of the news is just conditioning everyone to accept that it's coming. When it does, it will easily wipe out 100,000,000 in a short period of time, which is their goal, since They want some breathing room. The pandemic in the US will be used as an excuse to declare martial law nationwide and keep everyone from going anywhere (control).
     
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    Let's just play for a minute. Assume we really do want to combat a flu outbreak. Let's assume the flu of choice is transmitted human to human through the air. Let us also assume it will kill you dead a high percentage of the time. Now let's take off the table any participation by the military in creating and enforcing quaranteen and exclusion zones.

    What do you suggest?
     
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    I suggest it does no good to save a few lives if it costs us our country. I believe the vast majority of Americans would accept quarantines as a necessary bother. We'd grumble, but do what was needed.

    Do you doubt me? When was the last time you saw open rebellion on April 15?
     
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    If the avian flu arrives the only people safe will be those in low population-concentration areas or well-stocked bunkers.

    Perhaps the flu will arrive about the time the U.S., Canada, and Mexico merge, thanks to the CFR.
     
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    While I'm dubious that such a flu would hit the U.S. (knock on wood, of course), if it does, it won't matter what Bush does with the military.

    If it hits big time, all you gotta do is think Anarchy and SHTF, for real. Even a relatively small outbreak will have people headed for Panic City.

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    Yes, there is a reset button. Its called the 2nd Amendment.
     
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    Im a little curious what the role of the military is supposed to be in the event of an outbreak such as this. Are they supposed to hold your hand while your on your I.V.? Are they going to put up sand bags to keep the germs at bay?

    If we have enough healthy people around to support rioters/looters, then we have enough healthy people around to shoot them. Besides, wouldnt the military be just as badly effected as everyone else? In the past it was the military itself that allowed such disease to cross borders in the first place (spanish flu for example).
     
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    I believe the role of the military will be quarantine management and movement of supplies. With 2M doses of flu vaccine on hand, the distribution of those will be interesting. I expect cirtical government functions would get them first, with law enforcement and medical personnel next.
     
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    Article:

    On Thursday, the Senate added $4 billion to a Pentagon spending bill to head off the threat of an outbreak of avian flu among humans. The bulk of the money -- $3 billion -- would be used to stockpile Tamiflu, an antiviral drug that has proved effective against the H5N1 virus -- the strain blamed for six deaths in Indonesia last week.

    U.S. health agencies have about 2 million doses of Tamiflu, enough to treat about 1 percent of the population. The money added by the Senate would build that stockpile to cover about 50 percent of the population.
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    So, the US now only has a population of 120000000?
     
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    ZURICH (AFX) - Roche Holding AG confirmed that huge demand for Tamiflu -- the only drug deemed efficient against Asian bird flu -- is causing a production bottleneck, with new customers likely to face waiting time of up to two years.

    Possibly too little - too late. Surprising too, given a Republican medical Dr. leads the Senate. One might think he'd have known better. I think we're behind others on the order list.

    ZURICH (AFX) - Roche Holding AG confirmed that huge demand for Tamiflu -- the only drug deemed efficient against Asian bird flu -- is causing a production bottleneck, with new customers likely to face waiting time of up to two years.

    Major orders have also been placed by the governments of the UK, France, Switzerland, Finland and Germany.
     
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    Of course all of us hope that avian flu will not hit the US, however, it has in the past. In 2002 avian flu hit Virginia (and other Eastern states), and over 4.7 million chickens were destroyed. Luckily, only birds were susceptible to the strain that hit in 2002. It was not communicable to humans. Please note, it was the same virus (avian flu) we are talking about today, just a different strain. Please see this link for the complete story: Avian Flu 2002

    Public health officials are extremely worried about avian flu. While Bush's idea of using the military to enforce a quarantine is scary, most states already have such laws on the books. In Virginia for example, if public health officials declare an emergency quarantine, people can be quarantined for the duration of time that the disease is communicable. They have to give you a hearing within 48 hours if you request it. See Va Stat. 32.1-48.08 to -48.010.
     
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    What about the birds?

    "Let's just play for a minute. Assume we really do want to combat a flu outbreak. Let's assume the flu of choice is transmitted human to human through the air. Let us also assume it will kill you dead a high percentage of the time. Now let's take off the table any participation by the military in creating and enforcing quaranteen and exclusion zones.

    What do you suggest?"

    And just how are they going to quarantine the birds? They have no plan at all for this eventuality and that is how the disease seems to be spread to humans. Bush (and his handlers) have been pushing for an end to Posse Comitatus for a while. The latest disaster in NO has played right into their hands. The object is control not help.
     
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    All I have to say is that I am really sorry that I have voted for this guy.
     
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    So let me get this straight:

    This is reason to abolish the Posse Comitatus Act and allow the federal government to use its military to police inside the US? 60 people die in Asia? What level of medical care are we talking about in the areas "hit" by this flu? How many years has it taken to kill 60 people? How much you wanna bet the people that died were old, sickly, malnourished, or very young children?

    They are creating fear and manufacturing panic in order to sieze more power. This is not a "deadly pandemic", give me a break! A deadly pandemic would be if 6 million people in Asia died, but 60? C'mon. :rolleyes:
     
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    You're probably right... Mayors and Governors are more skilled at handling national tragedies and react quicker than our military! :D
     
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