Buy American!

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  1. Philip Marlowe

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    I am always surprised to find-out certain guns are not made in America. I am not a fan of protectionism necessarily, but it is nice to buy a product made here if possible.

    That's not to say buying ANY gun at a local store is not a good thing because you're supporting them (albeit to a lesser extent).

    But, does anyone know which major brands are made in the U.S.?

    It might be easier to say which aren't. For example, I was very surprised to find that Springfield Armory's commercial production guns are made in Brazil. (I think). Conversely, I believe GLOCKs are made in Georgia.

    Thanks guys!
     
  2. possum

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    there is a glock plant in smyrna but they are from Austria.

    springfield armory has 1911's made in brazil, and the xd is croatia.

    honestly i don't care where the guns are made. i do enough for my country without buying a gun because of where it is made. i don't need to do that to make myself feel better about anything or patriotic etc.

    sig isn't us, h&k isn't, and many more.
     
  3. cyclopsshooter

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    colt is made here, ruger, smiths for the most part are made here, even some walthers are made here by smith-
    beretta makes some here too
     
  4. wizzegun

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    Thanks to a world economy, it's very difficult to only "buy American." As possum stated, good ole American Springfield is made everywhere but America. I think it's build a good product and they will buy it.

    Beretta M9's are made in Maryland but Beretta is Italian so how much stays here. You have to love the irony that American companies ship production overseas while foreign companies build factories here (Toyota, Honda, BMW etc.)
     
  5. eight433

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    Hi-Point and Kel-Tec are both 100% US made.
     
  6. cyclopsshooter

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    well, those car brands you listed are made here because it is cheaper for those manufacturers to make them here than in their home country- japan has no resources and high labor costs- rather than ship in materials and ship out the product, it just becomes more economical to make the here-
    those companies were not straddled with the high costs brought on by the UAW and retirement benefits like the american auto makers....
     
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    ...uh yeah, but Beer, Beef, and Guns are kinda the exception. You can buy purely USA-produced product in those categories without too much scrutiny or thought, and it's often the best product to boot. Do it with pride as often as possible!

    Les
     
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    Other US gun makers (as far as I know:eek:), in addition to Colt, Ruger, Smith & Wesson:

    Kahr Arms
    Rock River Arms
    Armalite
    Les Baer
    Wilson Combat
    Kimber
    North American Arms
    Charter Arms
    Browning
    Henry Repeating Arms
    Winchester
    Remington
    Savage Arms
    Mossberg
    Heritage Manufacturing
    Marlin
    Stag Arms

    Now, some of those may be owned by a foreign entity, but again I think most are 100% American owned/operated.
     
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    Also Nighthawk Custom, most of STI International's products, and Lewis Machine and Tool Company
     
  10. psyprofessor

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    Here is a better advice than just saying "buy American"...

    The best way to serve America is to not waste money on an inferior product. Buy the best quality product for the best price.. When you save money, America saves money.

    The best way for U.S. gun manufacturers to serve America is to make sure that American products are indeed the best quality product with a fair price point. Kahr...an American company...is known for its quality products. Hats off to them!!!
     
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    Browning is not an American company, neither is Winchester - both owned by FN. IIRC, the Buckmark .22 is the only US made Browning.

    One thing in my mind to buy Sig, Beretta., etc.....these are our allies for the most part. It is the folks clamoring for the Chinese CRAP that amaze me - not only are they NOT our friends, their products are generally poor.

    Beretta, Sig and Glock have facilities here because government contract regulations say they have to for government contracts
     
  12. bigfatdave

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    Henry is American, and makes a nice rimfire rifle.
    Hopefully MrsBFD will let me find out how nice their centerfire rifles are someday.
     
  13. chris in va

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    Beretta 92's are made in MD IIRC.

    There's a difference between an American company, and American made.
     
  14. Dr. Fresh

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    Don't forget Barrett!

    Also, Anheuser-Busch is now owned by a foreign brewery, so watch out on the beer too!
     
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    Sigs are now made in New Hampshire. While they might not be American companies but at least they are providing skilled American jobs. Certain H&Ks are now made here to.
     
  16. RedAlert

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    Living in the global economy that now exists I say BUY the BEST MADE product you can afford regardless of where it was made.

    Doing this, when a company starts to lose market share, it will investigate and find out that it was its quality, price or features that drove the sale and it didn't measure up.

    Eventually the good companies will succeed and the bad ones fail. That is the law of supply and demand.

    Ralph
     
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    "Browning is not an American company, neither is Winchester - both owned by FN."

    On the other hand...

    FNUSA has a huge plant in South Carolina and offices in Virginia. My FNP-45 USG was made in the USA and is marked "FNH USA Fredericksburg VA. MADE IN USA"

    www.fnhusa.com/le There is also a site for their military products.

    "FN Manufacturing, located in Columbia, South Carolina, is the U.S. manufacturing arm of FN and is currently producing M16 rifles, M249 light machine guns, M240 medium machine guns, FN bolt-action rifles and FNP pistols. FNM is one of only three manufacturers designated by the U.S. Government as the domestic industry base for small arms production. Sharing design, engineering and manufacturing expertise with FN Herstal in Belgium, FNM’s reputation for quality and reliability is clearly demonstrated by the fact that 70% of the small arms used by U.S. Forces around the globe bear the FN name."
     
  18. Boris Barowski

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    and i'm from the country that owns both :evil: (ok, inbev is partly brazilian)

    it's just a fact, open economies are better than closed ones. If you stop imports, other countries will stop your exports (i'm talking in general here). That'll cost you more jobs.

    just buy the best product available, it's an incentive for american companies to make better products, which will help your export, because other countries will want your superior product too. But if you sustain an inferior product because it was made locally, you're not doing anyone a favor.
     
  19. rhtwist

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    Buy foreign products, they get our money, and make money on our money. With this money and interest on our money, they buy other country's businesses. They are also are not held to any ecological or work standards with those effects. We get a product (considering all products) that will become garbage and be put in a land fill and have to buy a new one from the now lesser amount of American made products, and the cycle continues and because less Americans have jobs and can't afford higher priced products. I'm not saying that American businesses, unions and greedy stockholders did not do it to themselves and us, but here we are now. Walmart IIRC not hiring full time employees so that they don't have to pay health care benefits. GM bankrupt. We owe Trillions of dollars to other countries. I do believe it is definitely better to get an American made, foreign owned company's product because at least it provides money for Americans. Lesser of two evils. Tried to get an American coffee maker, googled and wrote various American and Japanese companies and only found one coffee maker NOT made in China. It was French and was costly. Watch the movie "Roger and me". Since we no longer have the money teachers are laid off, police are laid off, raiding Social Security increases, Social services are cut, nurses are laid off, military spending is cut, soldiers have to use their private insurance to cover battle injuries inflicted during the protection of this country. Those who do not learn from their mistakes are doomed to relive them.
    rhtwistedly opinionated


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  20. LightningJoe

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    Oh, it's way too late for that.
     
  21. rhtwist

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    Tis better to light one candle than curse the darkness.
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  22. hanno

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    Yeah, good plan.

    Buy only products made by American companies. And of course if the foreigners start doing the same, all those Americans who who work for companies that rely on exports for many of those jobs (like Boeing, for one giant example) will soon be on the streets joining the unemployment lines.

    Buy the best quality product for the money.
     
  23. HoosierQ

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    Browning? American? I don't think so. John Moses Browning himself was certainly a quintessentially American figure and one we should all be proud of. From almost the beginning of his career, during his lifetime, many of his designs were made abroad, especially in Belgium. Since more or less the middle of the 20th century, I am not sure if anything that bears the Browning name has been made in America...few at most.

    I think this example, Browning, highlights the global economy.

    FN (among others) makes Browning firearms and also FN branding firearms. Ironically they make more FN branded guns is America than Browning branding ones.
     
  24. hanno

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    Indeed. Another example is Dan Wesson. A small shop, they make great 1911s - made in America by Americans. DW uses parts made by other American companies - Ed Brown, STI, etc.

    And yet, Dan Wesson is owned by CZ, a Czech company (who also BTW make outstanding pistols, love those CZs).

    So for the "Buy American" folks, where exactly are we supposed to draw the line with this "Buy American" stuff? And as I said above, if we only "Buy American" do we expect the foreigners to also buy only their own stuff?
     
  25. woodfiend

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    Yeah, and they both SUCK! How many SWAT teams use Hi-Point or Kel-Tec? NONE
     
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