RhinoDefense
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Buying American is a nice gesture but it's shallow thought.
Buy Made-in-USA initiative?
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LiveLife
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Well, with globalization it may be hard to find completely 100% USA made and that's understandable.
I am just going to make an effort to support as many USA made/companies when comparable shooting/reloading options are available.
It may be a small effort on my part that may not ultimately change much, but it puts a smile on my face and let's me sleep a little bit better at night.
I am just going to make an effort to support as many USA made/companies when comparable shooting/reloading options are available.
It may be a small effort on my part that may not ultimately change much, but it puts a smile on my face and let's me sleep a little bit better at night.
1stmarine
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What for some is "a shallow thought" for others is a noble
and very logical step based in the most fundamental common sense.
There is almost no manufacturing left here and in Europe and at the pace we are going the only two national products left will restless less syndrome medication and lawyers. My kids would have to move to another country to work in any production related job.
The concept is very simple. Think of the farmer, he gets up at 3am,
milks the cows, plants the tomatoes because HE KNOWS... if I do not
produce, I do not eat. This should apply to everyone in society.
I am tired of wall street crocks, politicians that behave like celebrities and
people simply too worry with dancing of the starts, survivor island and the
baseball game on TV to be involved in the future of our children.
A country without manufacturing is like that farmer w/o milk. This applies everywhere not just the firearms industry.
and very logical step based in the most fundamental common sense.
There is almost no manufacturing left here and in Europe and at the pace we are going the only two national products left will restless less syndrome medication and lawyers. My kids would have to move to another country to work in any production related job.
The concept is very simple. Think of the farmer, he gets up at 3am,
milks the cows, plants the tomatoes because HE KNOWS... if I do not
produce, I do not eat. This should apply to everyone in society.
I am tired of wall street crocks, politicians that behave like celebrities and
people simply too worry with dancing of the starts, survivor island and the
baseball game on TV to be involved in the future of our children.
A country without manufacturing is like that farmer w/o milk. This applies everywhere not just the firearms industry.
1stmarine
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I just got an IM from somebody calling me a moron for defending US made products. There you go, that's the spirit of the high road! LOL!!
Folks here you can find a list of firearms manufactures and you will be surprised to find that some of these manufacture their main line of models somewhere else, if you do not know this already.
Competitive pricing is not about super modern light polymer stocks, super-duper treatment of exotic barrels, etc.. this that is sold as improving quality and accuracy but it is not about quality or innovation precisely but about reducing manufacturing costs by using lower quality materials and reducing labor cost paying 50cents/hr or less.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Firearms_manufacturers_in_the_United_States
http://sovereign-investor.com/2011/05/16/china-secretly-declares-war-on-the-united-states/
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=5078&type=0
Folks here you can find a list of firearms manufactures and you will be surprised to find that some of these manufacture their main line of models somewhere else, if you do not know this already.
Competitive pricing is not about super modern light polymer stocks, super-duper treatment of exotic barrels, etc.. this that is sold as improving quality and accuracy but it is not about quality or innovation precisely but about reducing manufacturing costs by using lower quality materials and reducing labor cost paying 50cents/hr or less.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Firearms_manufacturers_in_the_United_States
http://sovereign-investor.com/2011/05/16/china-secretly-declares-war-on-the-united-states/
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=5078&type=0
1SOW
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bds:
Then that's at least two (or 100's) of us, that will make some difference and not add to the economic problems.
Then that's at least two (or 100's) of us, that will make some difference and not add to the economic problems.
orionengnr
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While it is not always easy to buy American in everything in your life, I find it pretty easy in the firearms arena.
All of my guns were manufactured in the USA.
These days I spend a lot more on reloading gear and components that anything else.
Winchester primers are my favorite, and I don't mind paying a few extra dollars for them.
All of the powders I use are made by Winchester or Alliant.
Lead cast bullets made in USA.
Dillon press, dies by RCBS/Lee.
Piece of cake.
All of my guns were manufactured in the USA.
These days I spend a lot more on reloading gear and components that anything else.
Winchester primers are my favorite, and I don't mind paying a few extra dollars for them.
All of the powders I use are made by Winchester or Alliant.
Lead cast bullets made in USA.
Dillon press, dies by RCBS/Lee.
Piece of cake.
that member should go fourth and multiply....
RhinoDefense
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China will not go to war with us. They do not want war with the US. China understands us. We need to understand China. Then we can work together and grow together.
Example: An American company makes $10 off a product that they sell in Europe that they buy from China for $2. The European company sells it for $20. If it was made in the US or Europe, it would cost $10 or more to build. They would then have $0 profit and ~100 Americans would lose their jobs. Some Europeans and some Chinese would be out of work too. As it stands now, at least three companies in different parts of the world are working and making a profit. Yes, I wish that it all could stay in the US but that's not realistic.
It's a global economy.
I do like several of the verses in that Toby Keith song, 'Made in America'.
It's a global economy.
I do like several of the verses in that Toby Keith song, 'Made in America'.
RevGeo
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It's a global economy and we'd better get used to it. Remember in history class being taught about early trade with 'The Far East'? Without the trade with China and India the European nations would have been in deep doo-doo.
The layout of the Earth was learned by merchants trying to get to Asia for trading purposes.
Buying from and selling to China and the other Asian countries is nothing new.
Whether we like it or not (and I don't especially like it) Americans are a part of a new, world-wide economy. And a lot of the people who bitch about all the goods coming from China also support the very politicians and 'business people' who are sending jobs to India and China.
Doesn't make much sense...
George
The layout of the Earth was learned by merchants trying to get to Asia for trading purposes.
Buying from and selling to China and the other Asian countries is nothing new.
Whether we like it or not (and I don't especially like it) Americans are a part of a new, world-wide economy. And a lot of the people who bitch about all the goods coming from China also support the very politicians and 'business people' who are sending jobs to India and China.
Doesn't make much sense...
George
1stmarine
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They are called emerging economies and we and Europe should be called shrinking economies.
One of the folks that sent me a message was not meant to me but to another previous post criticizing why is needed to preserve US jobs they think all this we are discussing is a shallow thought. He kindly clarify this so thanks.
I got several wacko messages before.
Anyway in the end we, each one of us, have the right and the choice to ask at the counter, where is this ammo manufactured, or this pistol, is at least assembled here?
Same thing with the supplies, food, cars whatever we need whether is related to firearms or not.
Why not? It is common sense. The same way I also go to the farmers market and have great pleasure handing out the dollars to the farmer himself for some savory tomatoes grown no far form my home.
One of the folks that sent me a message was not meant to me but to another previous post criticizing why is needed to preserve US jobs they think all this we are discussing is a shallow thought. He kindly clarify this so thanks.
I got several wacko messages before.
Anyway in the end we, each one of us, have the right and the choice to ask at the counter, where is this ammo manufactured, or this pistol, is at least assembled here?
Same thing with the supplies, food, cars whatever we need whether is related to firearms or not.
Why not? It is common sense. The same way I also go to the farmers market and have great pleasure handing out the dollars to the farmer himself for some savory tomatoes grown no far form my home.
Hondo 60
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I use a lot of Tite Group, and AFAIK it's made in the good ol' US of A.
But have to admit, my primers are Tula & Wolf.
The Tulas were $20/1000 & the Wolf $15/1000.
If I could find American made primers at that price, I'd buy 'em in a heart beat.
I grew up during the 60s & 70s.
It just seems wrong to buy ammunition related supplies from Russia.
But have to admit, my primers are Tula & Wolf.
The Tulas were $20/1000 & the Wolf $15/1000.
If I could find American made primers at that price, I'd buy 'em in a heart beat.
I grew up during the 60s & 70s.
It just seems wrong to buy ammunition related supplies from Russia.
1stmarine
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You can buy very nice CCIS for large rifle for $27.99....
http://www.cabelas.com/reloading-components-cci-primers-1000.shtml
So that 7-8 dollar difference is invested in the future of our children vs the future misery of our children. Like all investments we do for retirement, college, etc.. if is an investment in the long term.
http://www.cabelas.com/reloading-components-cci-primers-1000.shtml
So that 7-8 dollar difference is invested in the future of our children vs the future misery of our children. Like all investments we do for retirement, college, etc.. if is an investment in the long term.
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Nothing wrong with buying American when you can. You should. What if where you worked, they came in and said they lost all their customers to China, go home. Yessir, buy American anytime you can. Usually much better quality too.
I have some Chinese gear, but I don't brag about it. Certainly no Chinese firearms. US or European there. All my M4's and gear are US, the brass is LC and the bullets are new unused surplus.
I have some Chinese gear, but I don't brag about it. Certainly no Chinese firearms. US or European there. All my M4's and gear are US, the brass is LC and the bullets are new unused surplus.
FROGO207
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I also do spend as much as I can here locally. First when buying locally the $$ go through many hands before going out of town or state and then possibly out of the country. If what I want is not available right here I will bend a little but the crappy China/WM type products are on the bottom of my list. Yes these products are sold locally but a SMALL percentage of any profits actually benefit the local economy in any way at all so I choose not to support them. I also will avoid any local retailer that treats their employees poorly after I am informed of such problems. As I have said before "You get what you pay for".
Do you buy a Toyota which is a foreign company made in America or a foreign made Ford American company? What if it is made in China & assembled in USA or it is packaged in USA? What if it is made in the USA but with imported parts, raw material, or even ore?
I got tired of buying junky shoes that cost $10 at Walmart every month for my kids. They work on a farm & need real boots so I went & bought Justin Boots at $60 a pair that I thought was a American company. 2 months later when they fell off his feet I looked in at the tag that said made in China. To add insult when I contacted the company twice being very pleasant they promised to help me both times & only lied never to hear from them anymore. If I would have got them at Walmart I would have still had enough money to buy 6 months worth.
I have no problem buying USA products if I get the value I'm paying for but I wont pay more for less.
I got tired of buying junky shoes that cost $10 at Walmart every month for my kids. They work on a farm & need real boots so I went & bought Justin Boots at $60 a pair that I thought was a American company. 2 months later when they fell off his feet I looked in at the tag that said made in China. To add insult when I contacted the company twice being very pleasant they promised to help me both times & only lied never to hear from them anymore. If I would have got them at Walmart I would have still had enough money to buy 6 months worth.
I have no problem buying USA products if I get the value I'm paying for but I wont pay more for less.
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I will admit that I have purchased several Glocks over the years and recently a Sig 1911 for reasons other than the country of origin (and they won't be the last). But keep in mind that over $45,000+ have been spent the past 16 years on USA made shooting and reloading components/equipment.
As to greater scheme of things, we may not be able to get away from globalization when trying to buy USA made products, but making an effort is better than not trying.
I used to drive VW/Honda/Toyota/Nissan vehicles but always kept a fullsize 4x4 Chevy truck or Suburban as off road tow vehicles. We currently drive a Buick and have been happy with the reliability, performance and even decent gas mileage. For those that complain about the quality of US manufactured vehicles, Chevy trucks/Suburbans have been very reliable for us and we are hard on them.
I think the main thing is making an effort when the opportunities exist as many USA made/assembled products are of quality and at reasonable prices. USA made would be better but at least USA assembled is better than imported. If you haven't, give USA made/assembled a try ... you just might be surprised.
As to greater scheme of things, we may not be able to get away from globalization when trying to buy USA made products, but making an effort is better than not trying.
I used to drive VW/Honda/Toyota/Nissan vehicles but always kept a fullsize 4x4 Chevy truck or Suburban as off road tow vehicles. We currently drive a Buick and have been happy with the reliability, performance and even decent gas mileage. For those that complain about the quality of US manufactured vehicles, Chevy trucks/Suburbans have been very reliable for us and we are hard on them.
I think the main thing is making an effort when the opportunities exist as many USA made/assembled products are of quality and at reasonable prices. USA made would be better but at least USA assembled is better than imported. If you haven't, give USA made/assembled a try ... you just might be surprised.
1stmarine
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bds,
Glocks are assembled and serviced in the USA. I also have some so I do not feel bad about those specifically.
I confess I had to buy some saigas but I put on them more US made parts and accessories than the original price tag of the gun.
We cannot do it all at once but every little bit whenever we can helps. Since you were talking about cars I think that Subaru makes some models in a plant here in the USA. So if one doesn't like Chevy's or Fords there are other options. Fords come out very nicely done though.
Glocks are assembled and serviced in the USA. I also have some so I do not feel bad about those specifically.
I confess I had to buy some saigas but I put on them more US made parts and accessories than the original price tag of the gun.
We cannot do it all at once but every little bit whenever we can helps. Since you were talking about cars I think that Subaru makes some models in a plant here in the USA. So if one doesn't like Chevy's or Fords there are other options. Fords come out very nicely done though.
amlevin
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The Car Industry is a good example of what happens when people blindly "Buy American". For years the industry was rewarded by these people even though they had a total lack of innovation and only provided technical advances when jammed down their throats by the Government.
Foreign manufacturers of cars and trucks used innovation as a way to steal market share from the complacent Car Manufacturers that just figured that car and truck purchases would continue to follow the old family traditions of "Buying American".
Foreign manufacturers of cars and trucks used innovation as a way to steal market share from the complacent Car Manufacturers that just figured that car and truck purchases would continue to follow the old family traditions of "Buying American".
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