Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Captcurt, Jan 19, 2021.
Buyer, and parents and grandparents beware indeed!
Great heads-up, OP. Thank you. Didn't know about the leupolds either.
About our third or fourth round of purchases from an authorized Trijicon distributor, we got ChiCom crap that was quite hard to tell if you weren't actually looking. The first return on a MilSpec ACOG had me baffled. Eventually got trijicon involved and they nuked the distributor.
Everything was right on the outside but performance let the cat outa the bag and then trijicon looking inside sealed the fate.
Ebay is darn near nothing but Chinese knockoffs. However, be carefull on Amazon too.
I once got suckered on a Chicom knockoff of a Sypderco PMII. (Amazon) The real kicker was i paid the regular price!!
1st was the rifle it was on. This was a used Handi that showed some scratches and the lockup was loose. $300 rifle at it's best. The scope looked new. I saw the article about counterfeits while finding the cost of the scope. They started at over a grand, but this particular model was not listed. Upon comparing the features such as shape of Objective and turret caps, nothing matched what was on the Zeiss website. Plus there was no origin printed on the scope. I didn't call Zeiss with the serial number, but I would bet yesterdays pay that it was Chinese.
It should be clarified : MagLula is a bonafide privately held company based in Israel.
There are incidents of Chinese MagLula knock-offs on the market , but it would be unfair to characterize MagLula products as cheap and/or Chinese knock-offs of UpLula.
Thank you. Yes, I edited my post to clarify FAKE Maglulas.
Unfortunately these days, "everything" is probably a knock off, even the real stuff.
Ive often wondered if what we think we are buying as "American Made", isnt, and that companies really arent just subbing things out and passing them off as made here.
ccp is our enemy they have said so, and they have nukes aimed at us.
I don't support our enemies. Foreign or domestic
I suspect that the quality of steel in a copy is lower, even if you cannot see a difference. That would make the value of the copy significantly lower.
I dont know about that.. Having never owned a PMII, when I received my knockoff.. Instantly I was "who the F would pay $$$$$ for this piece of crap".
A company I worked for in the past imported rubber belts (industrial v belts, automotive belts of all types, etc) and had a small warehouse as the only place on American soil where the product was handled. Every one of them said USA on it, and got packaged in America. I don’t know where they actually came from but I’m betting it was China. Legally they did the bare minimum of what could be sold as made in America, and it was a shameful thing... much like the division i actually worked for.
You won't be happy with them, especially if you ever REALLY need your back up sights for very long. But they do sort of work but you will never know which shop is making them and what the quality may be. I'm sure this is a cottage industry for many little guys over there.
A few years ago I tried some metal sights and they wouldn't even stand up straight and wobbled around. Terrible. Did get a refund and they said don't bother sending them back.
On my Christmas list I included a relatively inexpensive ($80. model of a real Japanese knife for the kitchen with a steel a bit better than VG-10 and semi-stainless. I guess somewhere along the line they overheard me saying I'd like a Damascus chef knife someday. So they ordered one on line. Pretty thing and they claim it to be VG10 but who knows. No name on it and it is a decent knife for someone who just wants a chef knife for the kitchen. But it's heavy and thick like many store bought knives and I have nicer much older carbon steel chef knives with much better grind lines and much lighter while being larger. But, it was a gift and I'm using it. I'm actually curious to see how long it will keep a decent edge with steel touch ups. You never know with Chinese knives and what steel may be used regardless of what they list it as. Occasionally you might get a good one which has been tested on line, but most of the stuff isn't worth having.
I think a lot of people, and especially gun people, are just "cheap" too. You see it all the time, and they are usually the ones who bitch the most about the "cheap" piece of crap they bought and it failed or was up to their standards. Then they go buy another one.
More often than not, they are the same people who complain that "good" stuff costs so much, and still seem to be willing to keep buying cheap junk, over and over, and seem happy to keep bitching.
My old man used to say, only rich people can afford cheap stuff. Never really understood it clearly, until I started getting into red dot sights. If I had back the money I wasted on "cheaper" (they werent cheap) good name sights, Id have a couple of more Aimpoints.
Id be willing to bet, a lot of big name companies have their stuff made in places like China, simply because its a lot cheaper for them and the profit margin is so much greater. Just cause it says Made in the USA really means nothing. How do you really know?
I've only had to deal with this once but it was a smooth process. I had a nice silver Leupold scope that came with a used rifle. After further consideration, I decided that the scope didn't look right on any of my rifles, and I just wanted to sell it for what I paid for it. The buyer who wanted it asked me if I was sure it was genuine, and I honestly said I hadn't even considered the possibility. I called Leupold myself and they confirmed that the serial number was genuine, and also gave the number to the buyer so he could check himself. Pretty quick to do during business hours.
Yup, beware of Amazon. They were a significant source of the phony leupolds and I can't count how many people I've heard that got a knockoff knife from amazon. The Chinese are quite clever and industrious sob's, one small 2-3 man operation can impact thousands of people....
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