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Buying a Gun Increases Your Risk of Suicide?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by The_Shootist, Jul 13, 2008.

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  1. The_Shootist

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  2. Just Jim

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    My Buying a Gun Increases Your Risk of Suicide if you commit a felony crime?

    There, I made it sound right.

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  3. La Pistoletta

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    It does not. People are not averages, nor statistics.
     
  4. Shear_stress

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    It's a really annoying case of association without causation that gets repeated all too often. Guns don't "make" you commit suicide any more than they "make" you commit murder. It's just that a good chunk of "successful" suicides involved guns (gun suicides have a 90% kill rate, as opposed to, say sharp objects), so idiots try to reverse the equation to imply causality. Also, if the person didn't die, it doesn't count as a suicide stat.

    Chapman phrases it well:

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    Steve Chapman is one of the few sane voices at the Trib when it comes to firearms. The rest of the people there view legal gunowners as no different from gangbangers.
     
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    Being suicidal increases your chances of suicide. The vehicle of delivery is of no consequence. I am not trying to be insensitive, but 100% of the time, statistics keep statisticians employed.

    90% of the time that works every time!
     
  7. JWarren

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    The only suicide I am more prone to regarding firearms is financial suicide.

    I've long said that Shotgun News is the most expensive subscription you will ever have.


    -- John
     
  8. Just Jim

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    So in Sweden they keep no record of your birth, gender,race or death?? How are they on guns, do they keep a record on your guns??

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    Not sure what this has to do with anything. :p

    What I mean is even if you could show that buying a gun increases the "chance" of committing suicide (which to my knowledge, it doesn't), that only describes occurrences, not causation.

    But yes, birth date, gender and date of death are recorded. Not race, don't see any point in that. Then again, we have mostly "native" Swedes and immigrants from the Middle-East here.

    All firearms require license.
     
  10. Just Jim

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    In the USA race is recorded at birth and death. While birth is an occurance death is listed due to causation.

    The socialist here like to list tools as causation so they can regulate tools. They constantly use every tatic they can to destroy our freedom. Most states here you can own a gun without a lic, but the socialist are trying to change that.

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    :scrutiny::rolleyes: Common sense should tell the author(s) that one must want to commit suicide first. If no gun were available, he or she would find another way.
     
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    I can't imagine I'm the only one who'd like to see the research that backs up this - at least in my opinion - wild claim. My guess is that one doesn't exist and he's making his political feelings known by making false claims via his position in academia.

    In what possible way does owning a firearm make one more likely to commit suicide? There is simply no correlation.

    I think I'll get into the wild claim business: buying a hammer means you and / or your kids / parents / grandparents are more likely to rob a bank in the next 20 years or so. Makes perfect sense, right?

    How's that for a start?
     
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    In my 20 years as a professional rescuer, I will tell you that people try suicide every day in my area. The overwhelming attempts made use pills. I believe the next most common are:

    knives, other sharp objects, hanging, guns, and leaping in front of cars and trains.

    Pills, knives, sharp objects and many other methods are not often successful due to the techniques and skills used by modern EMS and modern hospitals.

    The most successful are guns, leaping in front of traffic, and hanging. Why are guns the most successful suicide tools? For the same reason they are the most successful murder tools, warfare tools, and self defense tools: they are effective, and it is difficult to carry a train into your apartment.
     
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    I am in the process of finishing up my master's paper and one of the main focus of our professor is the difference between correlation and causation. Obviosly some other people need to listen to the same lesson.
     
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    Unfortunately, a great many leftist extremists believe government is entitled to meddle in our each least decision.
     
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    Right....just like buying a car increases your risk of getting a DUI.
     
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    guns just increase the chances of successfully commiting suicide...if you really want to kill your self there are plenty of other things in the own that work, many are even more leathal.
     
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    Anyone who has both alcoholic beverages and a motor vehicle is at much greater risk of DUI than someone with neither.

    That is why both cars and alcoholic beverages must be banned as soon as possible. No compromise is acceptable.

    I therefore propose the following amendment to the Constitution of the United States, and I urge all gun owners to contact their legislators to support it:

     
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    Good article. He's on our side:

    Perhaps some folks should should read the article before going off on the article/author. Not pointing any fingers, just a suggestion.
     
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    Didn't they try to ban alcohol before??? Aren't they trying to ban drugs now?? Seems you might have a problem with this idea.

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    Buying a gun increases your chances of commiting suicide just like buying condoms increases your chances of getting pregnant.... :uhoh:
     
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    I guess Montanan's are in big trouble,
    since there is 27 gun per household on average.

    We should be the number 1 suicide state.
     
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    And living increases your risk of dying.
     
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    You guys are being reactive and not thinking about this clearly. There is most definitely a correlation between gun ownership and suicide. Both sides are correct, in a way.

    The reason is that guns are statistically THE most lethal means of suicide. Even more lethal than jumping off a building - because many suicidal people aren't rational enough to jump off a high one, just their house or something. The success rate for pill overdose is just 2%.

    Many people who are suicidal will use whatever means they have at hand. If they have pills, they will take pills. If they have rope, they will hang themselves. If they have a gun, they will shoot themselves (especially if they are men). But with the gun, the attempt is far more likely to succeed and actually be counted as a "suicide." Out of 100 people who take pills, only two will be counted as suicides. But out of 100 people who shoot themselves, about 90 will die and be counted as suicides.

    The point is, owning a gun doesn't increase your risk of being suicidal, nor does it increase your risk of attempting suicide. But using a gun DOES increase your risk of actually dying should you attempt it. Thus, gun ownership does increase your risk of successful suicide (ie, the only category that matters in such a study).
     
  25. Just Jim

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    :D:D So if I buy a gun for an anti gun politicion am I telling him to go kill himself??:neener:

    Really guys they are taking this crap too far and it's always the socialist that do it.

    jj
     
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