Buying my first handgun - help needed!

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I can think of two things that fit that description:
Speedloader

and

Speed strip

Let me also say, as a guy that has had to work in a foreign language before, . . . if "speedloader" is the word that's giving you trouble, congratulations on some outstanding English!
Yes, thank you, I was talking about a speedloader.

Thank you for kind words. It is not that I don't know how it is called in English - I don't know how it is called, period.

P.S. Also I'm thinking of moving to US after I graduate (with my family - wife and a kid we're having after 5 months), of course, if I'll be able to find a job (I'm a structural engineer) to be able to receive a green card. I haven't specifically improved my English for that, though it is really nice to here that I'm doing well - it gives me even more confidence that I'll do just fine.
 
I don't want to derail your thread, but . . . You're doing very well with written English, I promise. My undergraduate degree is in German Language and Literature, and I've lived in Germany for ~2.5 years, all total. Which is why I say that I've "had to work in a foreign language."

And I don't know the German word for "speedloader," but I suspect it's about 18 letters long . . . .

If you come to the US, you won't have any trouble with written communication.
 
Rossi and Taurus are both decent brands, Taurus owns Rossi and produces their guns also. Of the three revolvers you mentioned, my personal order of preference would be the .357 Taurus first, the .38 Taurus second, (particularly if it is .38 Spl. +P ) then the Rossi. The reasoning behind this being the .357 allows for .38 Spl., >38 Spl. +P, or .357 Magnum ammo to be used., the .38 Taurus does hold one more round than the other two, and if in .38 Spl. +P, would actually be my first choice of the three.

Speedloaders and speed strips are very handy items to have and carry with a revolver. You have to train with them, also. I recommend the Safariland Comp I speedloaders for carry; there is a concealable belt holder for them also.

Spats, it's actually 20 letters: Geschwindigkeit Lader
 
Do you know this for certain? Or is it a good guess, or internet translation?

I was thinking it might be Schnelllader.
I was going off of High School German and trying various terms through Google Translate.
You lived there, so you might be right. Schnellader or schnellenlader makes sense also. But in my experience, the 'obvious' choice is rarely the right one...and schnellader seems awful short...;)
 
Nice offtopic - learning German ;)

Just wanted to add - the shop which have all the guns listed in the original post also has a black Sig Sauer P230 in good condition with one mag and 88 rounds in bonus for 195$.

P.S. Would be glad to hear some info on the guns listed in my previous post - please, someone...

Thanks
 
Yes, thank you, I was talking about a speedloader.

Thank you for kind words. It is not that I don't know how it is called in English - I don't know how it is called, period.

P.S. Also I'm thinking of moving to US after I graduate (with my family - wife and a kid we're having after 5 months), of course, if I'll be able to find a job (I'm a structural engineer) to be able to receive a green card. I haven't specifically improved my English for that, though it is really nice to here that I'm doing well - it gives me even more confidence that I'll do just fine.
It's America. As long as people can understand you, most don't care what accent you have.
 
I just watched few ballistics videos on youtube and though a bit about the penetration potential of 9x17, 9x18, 9x19, .38SPL and .357Magnum...

The thing is, as we are allowed to carry only FMJ rounds (JHP are only for law enforcement) and as the law states that "one should not fire a handgun if one cannot guarantee the safety of those who are not intended to be shot", that is, for example, those behind the target (maybe 50-100 yards away?), I'm starting to think do I even want the gun with the biggest caliber (like 9x19 instead of 9x17) and the most powerful round I can carry...? So if something goes wrong and someone behind the target gets wounded one will need to take responsibility for that in court of law and of course live with guilt of harming someone innocent. That beeing said, I really start to think that maybe I should stick with something like 9x17 as it should have enough stopping power (if I can hit the target of course) but at the same time will minimize the possible penetration, which would always be safer for anyone or anything behind the target.

What do you guys think about this subject?

P.S. And about guns mentioned in my previous posts?
 
I just bought a used Russian Makarov. I have many pistols and I was amazed by
how good the little Makarov is. I have a Walther PP and I had a Walther PPK and
I think the Makarov is a better pistol. I think the Russians copied the Walther and
gave it improvements. At the price you are able to get one if I were you I would
buy one anyhow. If you don't like it later down the line you could sell it and you
haven't lost much.
 
The big thing about CCW is always carrying it with you. The makarov is a good service pistol but it's too heavy/bulky for me. I would say get the Glock 43 or the shield. Heck I would say get the makarov also only because you can get them at such great price and the ammo is cheap.
 
I just watched few ballistics videos on youtube and though a bit about the penetration potential of 9x17, 9x18, 9x19, .38SPL and .357Magnum...

The thing is, as we are allowed to carry only FMJ rounds (JHP are only for law enforcement) and as the law states that "one should not fire a handgun if one cannot guarantee the safety of those who are not intended to be shot", that is, for example, those behind the target (maybe 50-100 yards away?), I'm starting to think do I even want the gun with the biggest caliber (like 9x19 instead of 9x17) and the most powerful round I can carry...? So if something goes wrong and someone behind the target gets wounded one will need to take responsibility for that in court of law and of course live with guilt of harming someone innocent. That being said, I really start to think that maybe I should stick with something like 9x17 as it should have enough stopping power (if I can hit the target of course) but at the same time will minimize the possible penetration, which would always be safer for anyone or anything behind the target.

What do you guys think about this subject?

P.S. And about guns mentioned in my previous posts?

As well as safer for your intended target. Not saying I want to be shot by a .380, but especially knowing that you are limited to FMJ ammo, it would be logical to consider the larger rounds. (Though I'm not sure about availability of .357 Magnum FMJ ammo in Latvia...) Modern HP Self-Defense ammo is what makes .380 and 9mm viable carry ammo. Take that away, and you're left with ball ammo.
Winchester loads a 130 gr. FMJ .38 Spl. load, sounds like something you might want to look into. It seems to me your best option might be that Taurus 6 shot .38 with the .38 Spl. FMJ rounds, and a speedloader.
For the people just joining in, the regulations there restrict him to carrying 'with chamber empty' (semi-auto) and (I am assuming here, lacking confirmation) a revolver would have to have an empty chamber under the hammer at rest.
 
I carry and love to shoot a East German Makorov, the CZ 82 would also be a good choice with a higher round capacity and a more familiar mag release and better sights.
If I were on the cheap these would be two good options.
 
As well as safer for your intended target. Not saying I want to be shot by a .380, but especially knowing that you are limited to FMJ ammo, it would be logical to consider the larger rounds. (Though I'm not sure about availability of .357 Magnum FMJ ammo in Latvia...) Modern HP Self-Defense ammo is what makes .380 and 9mm viable carry ammo. Take that away, and you're left with ball ammo.
Winchester loads a 130 gr. FMJ .38 Spl. load, sounds like something you might want to look into. It seems to me your best option might be that Taurus 6 shot .38 with the .38 Spl. FMJ rounds, and a speedloader.
For the people just joining in, the regulations there restrict him to carrying 'with chamber empty' (semi-auto) and (I am assuming here, lacking confirmation) a revolver would have to have an empty chamber under the hammer at rest.

So what you're saying is that .380 ACP and 9mm Parabellum in FMJ would not be really effective for self defense, that is, these bullets would not do the job perhaps?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from watching few ballistics videos with FMJ ammo I get a notion that all of them penetrate better that HP's and leave permanent wound cavities that are only few times bigger than their actual diameter, which leaves me thinking that the actual permanent damage to a target would not be so much different lets say between .380 ACP and 9mm Parabellum round in FMJ...? Also, as 9mm Parabellum would have higher velocity and it would penetrate with greater ease, thus, leaving proportionally less of it's energy in the target...? So if this is true there shouldn't be that much difference in the stopping power of FMJ rounds, but their potential to penetration would be much different and it would be better to carry one with less penetration potential...?

.38 Special and .357 Magnum are available in FMJ here locally. One shop offers GECO .38 Spl 158gr rounds which cost 0,40$/pc (which are pretty much the cheapest rounds for .38 Spl here). Also, how can a revolver have a empty chamber with ammo being in the cylinder? Anyhow it seems that we are allowed to carry revolvers without external safety with ammo in cylinder.

P.S. Also wanted to mention that the temperatures in Latvia are averagely from -20 C (-4 F) in winter to +30C (+86 F) in summer. With that being said, for at least half a year I'm wearing gloves depending on outside temperature - thus quite thick gloves in winter, and thinner in autumn and spring, so another aspect of choosing a handgun should be the possibility for me to use it with gloves.
 
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So what you're saying is that .380 ACP and 9mm Parabellum in FMJ would not be really effective for self defense, that is, these bullets would not do the job perhaps?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from watching few ballistics videos with FMJ ammo I get a notion that all of them penetrate better that HP's and leave permanent wound cavities that are only few times bigger than their actual diameter, which leaves me thinking that the actual permanent damage to a target would not be so much different lets say between .380 ACP and 9mm Parabellum round in FMJ...? Also, as 9mm Parabellum would have higher velocity and it would penetrate with greater ease, thus, leaving proportionally less of it's energy in the target...? So if this is true there shouldn't be that much difference in the stopping power of FMJ rounds, but their potential to penetration would be much different and it would be better to carry one with less penetration potential...?

.38 Special and .357 Magnum are available in FMJ here locally. One shop offers GECO .38 Spl 158gr rounds which cost 0,40$/pc (which are pretty much the cheapest rounds for .38 Spl here). Also, how can a revolver have a empty chamber with ammo being in the cylinder? Anyhow it seems that we are allowed to carry revolvers without external safety with ammo in cylinder.

P.S. Also wanted to mention that the temperatures in Latvia are averagely from -20 C (-4 F) in winter to +30C (+86 F) in summer. With that being said, for at least half a year I'm wearing gloves depending on outside temperature - thus quite thick gloves in winter, and thinner in autumn and spring, so another aspect of choosing a handgun should be the possibility for me to use it with gloves.


I'll address each concern individually:

So what you're saying is that .380 ACP and 9mm Parabellum in FMJ would not be really effective for self defense, that is, these bullets would not do the job perhaps?

They've certainly killed people since @1903 and 1908, respectively, in FMJ loadings, but the recent JHP offerings in both calibers increase their effectiveness greatly.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from watching few ballistics videos with FMJ ammo I get a notion that all of them penetrate better that HP's and leave permanent wound cavities that are only few times bigger than their actual diameter, which leaves me thinking that the actual permanent damage to a target would not be so much different lets say between .380 ACP and 9mm Parabellum round in FMJ...? Also, as 9mm Parabellum would have higher velocity and it would penetrate with greater ease, thus, leaving proportionally less of it's energy in the target...? So if this is true there shouldn't be that much difference in the stopping power of FMJ rounds, but their potential to penetration would be much different and it would be better to carry one with less penetration potential...?

Penetration vs. expansion is a give and take; to get one, some of the other must be given up. Actually, it is a three-part conundrum; penetration vs. expansion vs. velocity. Obviously, bullet construction is a big factor also. An FMJ bullet won't expand terminally, unless driven fast enough into bone. A JHP bullet is designed to expand even without hitting bone. Bullets cause damage (death) in two ways: hemorrage, and tissue damage. A bullet that expands in a body will cause more tissue damage and more hemorrage than a non-expanding type.
This is actually an over-simplified explanation; the study of terminal ballistics is fascinating. I recommend reading Julian Hatcher's writings on it.

I find it ironic that FMJ bullets are outlawed in some places, even though they are safer for both the user (That is, they are more effective at causing an attacker to cease attacking{by either bleeding them out or damaging vital organs better} ) and anyone beyond the target, because they are much less likely to exit the target.

.38 Special and .357 Magnum are available in FMJ here locally. One shop offers GECO .38 Spl 158gr rounds which cost 0,40$/pc (which are pretty much the cheapest rounds for .38 Spl here). Also, how can a revolver have a empty chamber with ammo being in the cylinder? Anyhow it seems that we are allowed to carry revolvers without external safety with ammo in cylinder.

If you can get .38 Spl. FMJ ammo at that price, that would be the choice I'd make. To answer your question, a revolver has more than one chamber, usually five or six. Just load five if it holds six, and align the empty one with the barrel as you close the cylinder. Bingo, empty chamber in front of the firing pin, and easy to bring into action; just pull the trigger. If you can legally carry a round in the chamber infront of the firing pin also, so much the better! [/QUOTE]

.S. Also wanted to mention that the temperatures in Latvia are averagely from -20 C (-4 F) in winter to +30C (+86 F) in summer. With that being said, for at least half a year I'm wearing gloves depending on outside temperature - thus quite thick gloves in winter, and thinner in autumn and spring, so another aspect of choosing a handgun should be the possibility for me to use it with gloves.


OK, so it's a little warmer there than here in Wisconsin.....:p Seriously, the Taurus and Rossi revolvers have more than enough room inside the trigger guard for everything but the bulkiest of gloves. My son shot a deer two years ago with his Taurus .357 while wearing gloves. :)
 
Entropy, you're talking right past Radek. He knows what a revolver is and how it works. He was just trying to get clarification of Latvia's laws since he knows they have 5 or 6 chambers and no magazine.

Entropy, you've also misunderstood his other point. Radek, you're correct: If limited to FMJ ammo only for self defense there's no substantial difference difference between .380 ACP (9x17), 9mm Makarov (9x18), 9mm Luger/NATO/Parabellum (9x19), .38 Special (9x29), and .357 Magnum (9x33). All are firing a .355" to .357" diameter bullet, and all are going to poke a .355-.357" diameter hole when expanding ammo is ruled out. Even .380 ACP has enough velocity for over penetration to be a concern when loaded with FMJ.

The only notable difference is that flat nosed bullets tend to leave a slightly wider permanent crush cavity than round nosed bullets. Flat nosed bullets are much more common in revolver ammo, and called Wadcutter and Semi-Wadcutter in English. Here's an example of a lead semi-wadcutter - https://www.midwayusa.com/product/3...ecial-158-grain-lead-semi-wadcutter-box-of-20, and here's an example of an FMJ wadcutter - https://www.midwayusa.com/product/7...in-lead-match-hollow-base-wadcutter-box-of-50

Radek, if you can carry a loaded revolver that would be my choice. It will be easier than trying to rack a slide on a semi-auto in warm weather, and certainly easier than trying to do the same in the cold while wearing thick gloves. If you're allowed to hunt with a handgun, then a .357 revolver would be a great option. For self defense you could load it with standard pressure .38 special ammo with light bullets to attempt to limit over penetration. Then you could use full power .357 Magnum loads for hunting. If there's no handgun hunting in Latvia then I'd just get the .38 Special revolver.

I hope that helps.
 
To answer your question, a revolver has more than one chamber, usually five or six. Just load five if it holds six, and align the empty one with the barrel as you close the cylinder. Bingo, empty chamber in front of the firing pin, and easy to bring into action; just pull the trigger.

OK, so it's a little warmer there than here in Wisconsin.....:p Seriously, the Taurus and Rossi revolvers have more than enough room inside the trigger guard for everything but the bulkiest of gloves. My son shot a deer two years ago with his Taurus .357 while wearing gloves. :)


Thank you, I actually didn't think of this... Although if I'll need to carry a 5 round revolver with a empty chamber I'm left with 4 rounds and that seems to be small amount of ammo... What do you think - is it ok, or is it a problem (if I would only have 4 rounds and one reload with 5 rounds)?

Don't remember if I mentioned this, but we are allowed to carry only one full spare magazine or cylinder, thus if I go with a five bullet revolver and I need an empty chamber I'm limited to total of 4+5=9 rounds.

Entropy, you've also misunderstood his other point. Radek, you're correct: If limited to FMJ ammo only for self defense there's no substantial difference difference between .380 ACP (9x17), 9mm Makarov (9x18), 9mm Luger/NATO/Parabellum (9x19), .38 Special (9x29), and .357 Magnum (9x33). All are firing a .355" to .357" diameter bullet, and all are going to poke a .355-.357" diameter hole when expanding ammo is ruled out. Even .380 ACP has enough velocity for over penetration to be a concern when loaded with FMJ. The only notable difference is that flat nosed bullets tend to leave a slightly wider permanent crush cavity than round nosed bullets.

Thank you, that was what I thought. Oh, yes, flat nose bullets, I say few of them in those ballistics tests and I also noticed that - will need to look into those.

Radek, if you can carry a loaded revolver that would be my choice. It will be easier than trying to rack a slide on a semi-auto in warm weather, and certainly easier than trying to do the same in the cold while wearing thick gloves. If you're allowed to hunt with a handgun, then a .357 revolver would be a great option. For self defense you could load it with standard pressure .38 special ammo with light bullets to attempt to limit over penetration. Then you could use full power .357 Magnum loads for hunting. If there's no handgun hunting in Latvia then I'd just get the .38 Special revolver.

We're not allowed to hunt with a handgun (although I'm not 100% sure of this), also we need to get our hunting license, we cannot just go into forest and hunt on our will.

So even though there is huge problem with over-penetration would it still be ok to go with the .38 Spl? From videos I saw I got a notion that it'll penetrate as deep as a 9mm Parabellum, which will definitely over-penetrate my target. I understand that it is weaker round than .357 Mag, so if I go for a revolver it is the minimum of what I should carry, but in general, if we also take into account the high possibility of over-penetration and the risk of injuring also someone behind my target - would revolver with .38 Spl still be my choice?

Thanks for advice guys!
 
Little update on the Rossi revolver - it is a Model 88 with 2" barrel and rubber grips in almost new condition.

On both previously mentioned Taurus revolvers - both hold 6 rounds, the .38 special is black and with wooden grips (2" barrel). The .357 magnum is stainless, don't remember the grips, but has a 3" barrel.

Also, it seems that the Berreta's are model F not FS.
 
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You make some good points, ugaarguy, and it seems we've all come to the same conclusion; A revolver with .38 Spl. FMJ. I actually recommend the .357 Taurus, (Loaded with .38 Spl.) but only because of the 3" barrel. If you can find the .38 Taurus 6 shot in a 3" barrel, that would be just as good.
 
Makarov all the way

Glad you live in a place where you can get one. I think the Makarov is a fine choice, lots of people in the US use them, and like them, and where you live they are even more accessible. Take the barrel out and examine it for bulges and wear (with a small light). If it does not look damaged in an obvious way, it is probably fine. There is enough power to stop someone, and should be easy to repair where you live.
 
It seems that I have found a sentence in the law which basically states that revolver can be carried with full cylinder (with ammo in all chambers). It sounds like this:
"One is allowed to prepare gun for shooting by disabling external safety (if gun has one) and chambering a round (or cocking a revolver) if rules for engagement are met"

So, it seems that from law's point of view chambering a round in a pistol is equivalent to cocking a revolver.

What you think about this statement? Is my interpretation logic?

Thanks
 
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