BWAH? CMP 1911's Available Soon?

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Yeah, but rumor is that the CMP will have to obtain an FFL license (which they're currently exempted from). Then they're only going to be able to release 10,000 pistols every year. And unlike rifles, they won't ship directly to the buyer, they'll have to ship to an FFL in the buyer's state. I haven't researched yet whether or not that's 100% accurate, as I'm not too interested.
 
He will probably reciend it by exucative order as soon as someone tells him what he signed.

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KansasSasquatch said:
Yeah, but rumor is that the CMP will have to obtain an FFL license (which they're currently exempted from). Then they're only going to be able to release 10,000 pistols every year. And unlike rifles, they won't ship directly to the buyer, they'll have to ship to an FFL in the buyer's state. I haven't researched yet whether or not that's 100% accurate, as I'm not too interested.
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Even if you are 100% accurate, so what. I have no problems paying FFL fees etc etc for this. I'll even go pick it up at my dealer. Who cares. This is awesome. I wonder what manufacturers are left.
 
My understanding is it was signed allowing sale of 1911s through CMP. There are sure to be a variety of manufacturers available and they will be priced accordingly. Don't look for a big bargain.
 
Since everyone is guessing I would add an FFL for a seventy year old pistol should include a C&R license and many of us have one on file with CMP at this time. I am optomostic that CMP will carefully meet the members needs.
This will be different than picking up my pristine Remington 1911a1 at the Railway Express office....in 1963.
 
Sorry to kill the speculation.;)

Confirmed, 1911s may be transferred to CMP for sale.
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Section 526 responds to the ongoing issue of terrorist violence against America’s men and women in uniform on military installations. Ironically, individual service members are generally prohibited from carrying firearms for self-defense while on base, leading terrorists to view them as soft targets. This language would require the Secretary of Defense to “establish and implement a process by which the commanders of military installations … and such other defense facilities as the Secretary may prescribe” could “authorize a member of the Armed Forces who is assigned to duty at the installation … or facility to carry an appropriate firearm … if the commander determines that carrying such a firearm is necessary as a personal- or force-protection measure.”

Rounding out the list of pro-gun provisions is section 1087, which restores authorization to the Secretary of Defense to transfer to the Civilian Marksmanship Program surplus M1911 and M1911A1 .45 ACP pistols for sale to the public. The component of the CMP that dispenses the pistols would be required to obtain a federal firearms license and abide by all requirements of the Gun Control Act pertaining to licensed sales and transfers. Currently, the military has some 100,000 such pistols that it no longer needs and that are being stored as taxpayer expense. These historically-significant firearms can now be transferred to law-abiding owners at a net gain to the government’s heavily-indebted balance sheet.
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Soon? Not hardly. Politics and logistics mean it will take months - maybe years to get them into the hands of the CMP, graded, inspected, cleaned, and then boxed for sale.

I suspect the lead time will be monitored and exceed even Magpul's least favorable ship dates on new products (worst case scenario I know of is 1 year and a day after SHOT announcing the product lol.)

Let's not forget that they were as a class refurbished twice in their careers with additional rework as needed thru the '80s. We aren't talking collector grade CMP auction guns, mostly rack and service grade.

Issue 1911's are not defensive ammo compatible, they were designed for Ball and that's the only thing you can trust in them. Their size and weight don't put them at the top of the CCW list.

Old geezer guns for those of us who shot them in the day. You aren't interested. Nothing going on here, folks, enjoy your day. ;)
 
KansasSasquatch said:
Yeah, but rumor is that the CMP will have to obtain an FFL license (which they're currently exempted from). Then they're only going to be able to release 10,000 pistols every year. And unlike rifles, they won't ship directly to the buyer, they'll have to ship to an FFL in the buyer's state. I haven't researched yet whether or not that's 100% accurate, as I'm not too interested.
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Section 1087 restores authorization to the Secretary of Defense to transfer to the CMP surplus M1911 and M1911A1 .45 ACP pistols for sale to the public. The component of the CMP that dispenses the pistols would be required to obtain a federal firearms license and abide by all requirements of the Gun Control Act pertaining to licensed sales and transfers. That means the pistols will be sent to a FFL for pick up instead of being sent to your house like the Garands.
 
Here is an article I found, much the same as some have already stated.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/11/foghorn/breaking-obamau-s-army-1911s/

Seems like it's a 1 yr pilot program with a maximum of 10k guns to be sold.

Someone wrote "priced accordingly." That is to be expected. I expect the demand to be high and the supply unable to meet that demand. I wonder if they will do a drawing for who gets to buy.

As for the price...I wonder what that will be like. I could go a couple grand on one but not much more.

I also wonder in what condition they will be. I would go a couple grand for one I could shoot. I'm not interested in buying a "Wall Hanger."

At any rate...joining M1 Garand Collectors Assoc today (which I've been meaing to do the past 6 months) and renewing my expired/reapplying for my C&R as well.

I don't ever pray for worldly things, but in this case, I may make an exception. (That's my way of making a funny.)
 
pharmer said:
Remember, these are military guns. Armorers swapped/ cannibalized parts over many years. "All matching" will be rare. Joe
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I think anyone who is familiar with the CMP is aware of that. "Period" correct is about the best you could hope for, and I think that would be rare. I"m not familiar enough with 1911's (or even M1's for that matter) to even know "period correct" for a given serial number would be.

In any case, we should be ecstatic about the opportunity to own a piece of history, such as this.
 
I have a Colt 1911 that was made before the war, reworked, and used in the Pacific Theater by a pilot. In nearly perfect condition, low round count. Much more accurate than the "experts" say.
 
Cue the antis panicking of "military grade 1911 pistols being shipped right to your door with no background check!"
 
Its good that the CMP is getting to sell these guns,
I have heard prices are going to be pretty high, $700+.... I hope not though.
If I had my choice between a new Colt 1991A1 or a beat up, mismatched numbers surplus 1911A1 that has been issued and reissued time and time again...I'll take the new gun and the warranty every time if they are the same price.
I have the feeling that these will be priced like collectors guns, instead of surplus, despite the use and mismatching numbers.
 
silicosys4 said:
Its good that the CMP is getting to sell these guns,
I have heard prices are going to be pretty high, $700+
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That would be a pittance; I HOPE they're that cheap-I'll buy two if I can. Considering that a modern 1911 type pistol is that much or more (I'm not including the Philippine knock-offs), $700 would be a bargain at twice the price.


silicosys4 said:
I have the feeling that these will be priced like collectors guns, instead of surplus, despite the use and mismatching numbers.
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Agreed. And, to be honest, well they should be.

I see this as a once in a lifetime opportunity. Where else or how else are you going to get the opportunity to own such a piece of history? This is a "trial program." Who wants to bet on whether or not the government deems this program a failure and orders the remaining guns destroyed?

I'm not one for panic buying, but..."get'em while they're hot."
 
The Alaskan said:
That would be a pittance; I HOPE they're that cheap-I'll buy two if I can. Considering that a modern 1911 type pistol is that much or more (I'm not including the Philippine knock-offs), $700 would be a bargain at twice the price.
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$1400 for a well shot, surplus, mismatched numbers Colt 1911A1 would be a bargain?
I disagree.
If there were collectors value, maybe, or providence of battle use, or guaranteed matched numbers guns. These have none of those things.
Scoop up as many as you can afford if you wish, just don't be surprised if you end up with a gun/s that has little interest to collectors, is well worn, and doesn't shoot as well as a new gun in that same price range.
I see the same gun, (worn mismatched Colt 1911A1's) going for less than $500 on gunbroker regularly. I don't see the surplus nature of these guns commanding much more of a premium.

Like I said, with that in mind, I wouldn't pay more than $500 for a random one considering what I can get for the same money NIB.
Just not worth playing the lottery for a decent example, imo. "Property of U.S. govt." is cool, but we'll just have to see the general condition and prices of these before I have any interest.
Maybe they will let the mismatched and really worn ones go at <$500 as shooters, and sort the nicer, matched ones out and grade them accordingly, maybe even list and sell the nice ones individually so you can actually pick a nice one..... if they are serious about valuing them as collectors pieces.
 
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silicosys4 said:
$1400 for a well shot, surplus, mismatched numbers Colt 1911A1 would be a bargain?
I disagree.
If there were collectors value, maybe, or providence of battle use, or guaranteed matched numbers guns. These have none of those things.
Scoop up as many as you can afford if you wish, just don't be surprised if you end up with a gun/s that has little interest to collectors, is well worn, and doesn't shoot as well as a new gun in that same price range.
I see the same gun, (worn mismatched Colt 1911A1's) going for less than $500 on gunbroker regularly. I don't see the surplus nature of these guns commanding much more of a premium.

Like I said, with that in mind, I wouldn't pay more than $500 for a random one considering what I can get for the same money NIB.
Just not worth playing the lottery for a decent example, imo. "Property of U.S. govt." is cool, but we'll just have to see the general condition and prices of these before I have any interest.
Maybe they will let the mismatched and really worn ones go at <$500 as shooters, and sort the nicer, matched ones out and grade them accordingly, maybe even list and sell the nice ones individually so you can actually pick a nice one..... if they are serious about valuing them as collectors pieces.
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Are you seeing genuine 1911A1 (not 1911 type) genuine US Gov't property guns going on gun broker for $500? I doubt it.

True, this won't be a competition "race" gun and true a NIB Colt 1911 TYPE gun will be more accurate, but people who will pay for these aren't buying just a gun, they're buying history. Even if these turn out to be of no collector value, that's okay-I'm not buying it to sell; I'm buying it to bequeath.

Now, that said, if these turn out to be utter scrap metal junk that are unsafe to shoot, then that's a different story. But when I see the milsurp soviet garbage that sells locally for the prices they go for, I find $700 for a genuine 1911 to be a pretty good deal.

But hey, I'm an impartial judge.

Part of me thinks I should hope they are cheap so many people can have them (or so I can have many), but then I think, the cheaper they are, the more demand there will be for them and the less of a chance I will have to get one.
 
It's reported by a credible eyewitness on another forum that the CMP is in possession of 1911's at one site already.

Although I certainly wouldn't recommend for anyone to really need to read up on the purchasing requirements like being a member of a CMP gun club or any of the following: http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/eligibility-requirements/

No one is really interested in old guns made 100 years ago selling for hundreds of dollars. Really? Of course not.

Might need to get moving on this a little quicker than I thought.
 
Tirod said:
It's reported by a credible eyewitness on another forum that the CMP is in possession of 1911's at one site already.

Although I certainly wouldn't recommend for anyone to really need to read up on the purchasing requirements like being a member of a CMP gun club or any of the following: http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/eligibility-requirements/

No one is really interested in old guns made 100 years ago selling for hundreds of dollars. Really? Of course not.

Might need to get moving on this a little quicker than I thought.
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No, why would anyone want one of those old POS? Heavy metal guns with tiny magazines?

I joined Garand Collector's Assoc. today, dug out my hunter ed card, passport, etc, and mailing my C&R renewal in the morning.
 
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