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By God I guess the poor man ain't supposed to hunt

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by MCgunner, May 30, 2009.

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  1. MCgunner

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    When I was working, before retirement, I got priced out of deer leases in this state. I found some land, pretty cheap, but for what it is I thought I was getting screwed at 1180 an acre. It's basically marshy pasture when it's wet. Right now it's dry, but when it's wet it's 4x4s or dirt bikes only just to get down to it. It's only 10 acres, isolated with a big ranch on one side. Nothing down there is fenced, lots of deer, hogs when it's wet. When I bought the place, it was ag exempted. For several years, the tax was a buck an acre, 10 bucks total. They took the ag exemption away and it went up to 80 bucks a year total. I was a little miffed, but I though, heck, a lease is a lot more'n that and, well, it's not agricultural anymore, no fence, no stock on it.

    Well, in the last several years, it's gone from 80 a year, to 200 a year to 400 last couple of years. I'm thinkin', well, the real estate market is in the tank right now, maybe it'll go down some this year. Maybe they'll re-evaluate it. Well, yeah, they re-evaluated it alright. It went from 2000 an acre evaluation to 4,800 an acre and they want nearly 800 bucks for the taxes!!!!!!! :cuss:

    I went down there and protested it last year and, well, it's like arguing with Helen Keller. :banghead: I took pix of it when it was all wet, the "road" that runs to it (path that would grow out of existence without my traffic down there). I guess I'm going to have to sell it. I just can't afford this on my fixed retirement income nor can I justify 800 bucks a year. I can do several good hog hunts for that. I don't need no stinkin' deer anyway, I guess. It's back to ducks for me.

    Now, sell it for the evaluated price you say? Yeah, right. 58K for 10 acres of swamp. :rolleyes: You know, these bas####s are supposed to work for us, the tax payer. They're supposed to be our employees. Well, I've never had an employee/employer relationship where the employee could just demand a 120 percent raise in one friggin' year and get it because if he don't, he can take the employer's assets. :rolleyes: Something is REALLY screwed up in this country. And, ya know, this is local taxation. Look what's on the horizon for the feds! Do they want everyone on food stamps? Is it an effort to kill private property rights?:cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss: I guess I could put a fence on it for a couple of grand and stick a goat or two on it. I see places like that everywhere. You know it's just for the ag exemption, goats not being all that much a money maker on 10 or 20 acres. :rolleyes:

    Thanks for letting me rant.
     
  2. DRYHUMOR

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    Try to find out what it would take to get it placed back as Ag land.

    Maybe plant pecans, pears, pines, etc. Best thing about planting trees is you don't have to make much effort each year, not very labor intensive.

    You could plant how you want, and leave a food plot area open, or shooting lanes, etc. Might work out for ya.
     
  3. Cypress

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    A timber exemption would help but they do require you to plant a few trees and give a management plan. Don't feel alone in this. Texas property taxes have made some wild swings in the last few years.
     
  4. MCgunner

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    The only thing that grows there is scrub oak and mesquite and huisache and such. It's sandy, might grow melons. I'd have to fence it to put stock on it of any kind. I'd have to buy a tractor to disc it up. <sigh>

    It's really worthless for anything, but grazing and wildlife. There's no farming within 20 miles of it, all pasture. Big ranches like the Lasalle, Cleiborn, Powderhorn, Welder, etc down there.

    This land is near Seadrift, Texas. When Seadrift was being developed at the turn of the century, they offered a lot in town and a 5 acre "farm tract" (good chunk to plow with a mule) in the country. Where my place is was the "farm tract" land so it's all divided up in 5 acre tracts on the plat map, though much of it is bigger now days and there are some areas up on higher ground with home up the road a ways.

    Something has to be done about the tax problem in Texas. I guess Kay Bailey is getting my vote. She's running on the property tax issue, though who can trust a politician?

    Oh, I checked on the new "wildlife exemption" thing, had to have been ag except in the last 2 years. Seems to be more a way to take land out of ag production than to get an exemption for land that doesn't qualify as ag land.
     
  5. svtruth

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    How about selling

    some deer leases of your own?
    Good luck.
     
  6. Hungry Seagull

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    ....like arguing with Helen Keller...

    Love it. I love it.

    Edited... veer...

    Anyways, consider choosing better hunting somewhere else. Or some way of converting that land to something where you can not have to pay so much each year or even turn it into producing something for revenue.

    58K fair price for a swamp that might eat you alive in a few more years in taxes? Hell, I'll take the 58K for that swamp and run. Using the sale and 58,000 dollars to do something else that might be related to things YOU want to do, not feeding the system so much.

    They took a few acres of swamp in one of the small towns in this county where I am and filled with with like 8 foot of gravel, then paved it with feet and feet of concrete. Then built a nice new post office.

    Ugh. Swamps selling for more than a proper acre of mowed grass these days.

    That is my idea. 58K income for sold swamp dont make you poor anymore does it now?
     
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    Too many people in office everywhere not doing the right thing for the people, they seem to want to destroy America...you got every right to rant, too many of us are not.
     
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    Texans are some of the nicest people I have ever met and the few times I have been through there it is a nice place, but I could not live there because of the lack of public hunting. I could buy into a lease here in Georgia for under $300 but I just prefer to get out and hunt in wild places. There are still roadless tracts of National Forest and WMA land here 30 miles square where hunting is free. I would be a lot more successful on a lease but if I get 1/2 mile from the road I never see another hunter.
     
  9. MCgunner

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    If I can get that kinda money for it, I think I'll put it on the market and look elsewhere or maybe just sit on the money, buy gold, something. I can duck hunt for a while. Now that I'm into the bow, there is public bow hunting around. Guess the rifles and contender will become range toys for a while.
     
  10. yenchisks

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    i just quit hunting,i'll just keep my money thanks.;)cant find or get permission so what you going to do;(
     
  11. DHolland

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    Nueces County?
     
  12. MCgunner

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    I'm with you, MCgunner. The poor man used to HAVE to hunt to eat. Now it's cheaper to buy food, and MUCH more expensive to hunt. Except birds.
    I used to hunt here in VA every year. Now, it's so hard to do, and leases are outrageous, and I refuse to run dogs, so I can't even hunt in NC, and so.... I'm in the same boat. It's becoming like flying. Rich man's sport.
    Don't even get me started on bass fishing.
     
  14. DHolland

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    That really sucks. I knew that Nueces County taxes have become outrageous over the past few years, I didn' know Calhoun County was just as bad. I'm in San Pat and it has not been too bad (yet). School taxes on the other hand ... :(
     
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    As with most government ventures...

    it's all about the revenue.

    I've learned that the only piece of land a man can ever own outright, with no taxes, is the plot he's going to be buried in.
     
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    If they thought they could tax a grave and get away with it they would, why not they tax the heck out of everything else.
     
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    After the cremation and said grave site will be ASSIGNED to both spouse and me due to her Vet status. Our boxes will probably occupy about... 2 feet by 2 feet and one feet deep a few feet down with a govt issued stone.

    No, they dont give you land, they assign it to you.
     
  18. Old Fuff

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    See if you can get it designated as a "wetland." If so you can't build on it, and they have to lower the taxes. Had a friend in Michigan that did that. Worked like a charm, and they didn't have any thought of building anything. :evil:
     
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    Yep, the federal wetlands reserve program is a good thing for the current owner: He/she gets big bucks from the gov't but there are big strings attached. There is no grazing or cutting of hay allowed. Hunting is allowed. The re-sale value of the property is drastically reduced in many areas of the country.

    I just turned down a piece of OK property that is in the wrp. Every time the creek goes haywire and floods the place, tearing out the fences; the landowner has to pay for repairing those fences.
     
  20. MCgunner

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    Hmmm, hadn't heard of that. I might get some inheritance on that program if my cousins haven't already done it. It really is marsh land, right next to Brazoria Ntl Wildlife Refuge and only accessible by boat. It's 42.5 acres and we don't use it. I'm a little far from there, but wanna do some goose hunting up there sometime. I'd thought of outfitting there for geese and duck hunting, but I'd have to get a USCG captains license to do it, I think. Lots of waterfowl there, but I'd rather just lease it out than have to mess with guiding on the place.

    My place here, though, is dry as a bone right now. It was wet for over a year and all the locals know it gets soaked down there, so maybe, just maybe that'd work? It would screw me as far as resale goes, though, so I'll have to mull that one over.

    Thanks for THAT idea. I'd not heard of it. Sounds like just the ticket for our 42.5 acre place for sure. I'm going to look into it and talk to my cousins.

    edit....

    http://www.ncgc.nrcs.usda.gov/programs/wetlands-reserve.html


    I might could get that tank dug I've been wanting, too, and big brother could pay for it. I'm not sure I like strings being attached to it all, though, but I'll further research it.
     
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    My friend's case was a hoot. They ask for a property tax reduction and got nowhere of course. Then they applied for a building permit to put up a BIG house (in a swamp yet). “You can’t build there!” they said, “It’s a wetland.” My friend demanded they put it in writing – and got it. With the letter they levered a substantial tax reduction – after the building permit request was rejected. The only building they ever allowed was bird's nests. :D
     
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    If they say it's worth 4,800 an acre, it's a shame you can't divide up one acre into 6 pieces and just give them land in lieu of cash for the taxes. One acre would pay the taxes for the next 6 years if they didn't go up again.
     
  23. MCgunner

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    Haaaaa, ha, ha, ha, yeah, right. :rolleyes: I'm afraid if I don't get out now, I'll never see the end of it. They'll bleed me dry. I'll have to sell do Donald Trump, the only man in America into real estate that can pay the taxes.
     
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    I hear ya loud and clear! My appraisal district in central TX has been raising appraisals by 10-15% every year, even though most of the houses being sold are in foreclosure and going for 25-40% below their 2007 appraised value! Sometimes I have to wonder what kind of mind-altering drugs these appraisal districts are consuming whe they dream this crap up!
     
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    Greedy one , no doubt.
     
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