By request--new CZ75B range report

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  1. TS537

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    I took my new CZ 75B to the range today and shot 100 rounds through it using American Eagle 115 grain.

    This was a brand new gun, shot right out of the box, with all that entails, whatever that may be... ;o)

    Observations--

    trigger, a lot heavier than I thought it would be, even with the hammer back

    throws brass directly in the face. Is this unusual? At least a half a dozen rounds bounced off my glasses, nose, or forehead. Awesome gunpowder smudges! ;)

    One jam (no big deal), but a bit more odd, once it kicked the slide all the way back with two or three rounds still in the clip. that surprised my instructor. Any thoughts?

    Nice results, all "misses" are vertical, indicating simple unfamiliarity with the trigger, otherwise VERY tight shot groupings (lots in a tiny grouping around the heart area @ twenty feet). No shots that would not have killed or maimed "sorry I missed you heart and lungs and hit your liver instead--I'll try harder the next time you break into my house". ;)

    The one "zombie shot" hit right between the eyes. Head shots are not as ergonomically effortless as center mass shots.

    Sorry if my terminology is wrong or whatever. Nice gun. Hits what I point it at. 100 rounds produces a nice, sweet but not cloying aftertaste in the back of the throat. That surprised me. Has anyone else noticed a delightful aftertaste after shooting?
     
  2. Deer Hunter

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    The trigger gets much better. Run around 500 rounds through it, or just use snapcaps and dryfire it. You'll see what I mean.

    I've had some brass come back to my face, but only when using Blazer ammo.
     
  3. TMann

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    Thanks for the report. I have a 75 bd (the decocker version,) and I love it. The nice SA trigger, and the long sight radius of this gun make it a joy to shoot, especially compared to my tiny carry guns.

    There are instructions out there on how to smooth out the trigger pull on the 75 B, but most people find that the trigger smooths out with use. If you wanted to speed things up you can do what I did and buy some snap caps and dry fire it a lot.

    Enjoy!

    TMann
     
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    Brass in the face, can't say I've encountered that. I'm am quite pleased to not be able to help as I have encountered zero malfs of any kind in my cz!
     
  5. TS537

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    @ retgarr:

    What ammo do you use?
     
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    75B New Trigger Blues

    I agree with the 500 round trigger break in, but for $16 you can radically improve it in 30 minutes or less.

    Replace the recoil (14lb OE) and hammer (20lb OE) springs with Wolff 15lb springs. The difference is dramatic. I used to worry about that long tough DA first pull shooting USPSA, but now it's not an issue at all

    The CZForum .com has step-by-step instructions with good pics for a trigger job that will also improve smoothness and pull weight. The springs make the biggest difference.

    Mine had a similar ejection problem with blazer aluminum. CZ sent me a new ejection spring that helped, but I won't use aluminum or steel in it unless there's no choice. It likes any and all brass-cased ammo.

    P.S. Wolff now supplies all springs for CZ-USA gun repairs.
     
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    Awesome suggestion. If I'm still unsatisfied 500+ rounds out, I'll pay a gunsmith to do it. I'm a rank newby in the armorer/gunsmithing stakes... :)

    Also, stripping is incredibly difficult--three separate adult males, not a wimp amongst us, all found it incredibly hard to push the decocker out to remove the slide; I'm assuming this is a function of its newness.
     
  8. Muddflap

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    You have to remove the slide release to get the slide off, not the decocker.
    I use the end of an old toothbrush. After I make sure the gun is empty, I put my left thumb through the trigger guard, in front of the trigger, and wrap my fingers over the end of the slide This helps me hold the slide in the correct position, with the marks aligned on the slide and frame. Then just push on the end of the slide release with the toothbrush handle. It should just pop right out. It does get better after a few times. Mine will push out be hand now.
     
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    Hmm

    Possible, but did you have the magazine in our out? Having the mag in makes it more difficult. Are you pushing the slide back to the correct spot (should be marks)?

    There are a few possibilities for the slide locking back prematurely.
    You hit it with your fingers while shooting
    There's a spring that pushes it down, that could be weak.
    The bullets in the magazine hit it. Usually happens with 147s.

    Regarding the trigger. The easiest way to slick up the trigger, is to purchase the Kadet kit, and put a few thousand rounds of 22lr through it. The Kadet kit is worth purchasing anyways.
    [​IMG]
     
  10. equitytrader

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    Brass in the face + a jam = lack of proper holding technique and/or weak support hand.
     
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    I witnessed a pistol being shot using two fingers only. It fired and cycled faultlessly as it should.
    That 'limp wrist' theory for failures doesn't hold water on a properly functioning semi auto pistol. Especially in a steel gun, there is plenty of mass to resist the recoil long enough to cycle the gun. The shooter will also add at least some resistance to the recoil.
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    Also the CZ ejector has an angle cut that can be modified to to change from a tendency to go and back up to ejecting to the right. (Discussed with pics on the CZFORUM .COM)

    Mine works fine except on Blazer aluminum.
     
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  12. equitytrader

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    Yes, my CZs will all fire flawlessly doing that as well, but brass hitting you in the face is from the lack of support.
     
  13. Sans Authoritas

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    Ah, sweet, sweet lead vapor and burnt powder.

    -Sans Authoritas
     
  14. AndyC

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    Best way I've found to hold the slide back slightly for stripping is this:

    1. Make sure the firearm is empty and leave the hammer cocked.

    2. With the firearm pointing to the left, wrap your right-thumb under the tang (the part under the cocked hammer) and wrap your right hand fingers over the top of the slide in front of the rear sight.

    3. Squeeze fingers and thumb towards each other, which pulls the slide back slightly enough that the notches on slide and frame align with one another.

    4. Put your left hand over the top of the slide and, with the side of your left forefinger, push the slide-stop nipple into the pistol (or if it's brand-new and very stiff, bump it against a desk or something).

    5. Bring your left hand back over the pistol and pull out the slide-stop.
     
  15. easyg

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    Here's how I strip mine...

    1) Remove the magazine.

    2) Rack the slide a few times to clear the chamber and visually verify that the chamber is empty.
    This will also cock the hammer....leave the hammer cocked.

    3) Using your left hand (if you're right handed), stick your thumb in the trigger-guard and grip the muzzle of your CZ like this....

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    Here's what it looks like from the other side....

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    4) Squeeze your hand, pushing the slide to the rear, and line-up the notches....

    HPIM4033.gif

    5) Now use your right hand to push the slide-stop out....

    HPIM4037.gif

    And that's all there is to it!

    Good luck,
    Easy.
     
  16. TS537

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    Thanks for all the advice; the stripping issue is mainly one of the slide lock being really, really stiff because it's a new gun, I think, but awesome photos! Your safety is a different shape from mine.

    I'll just have to toughen up that pesky left arm, I guess...:eek:

    I'll be going out to the range again on Saturday with a more experienced friend. And I've already ordered a mousegun. :evil: Once the CCW permit arrives, I'll be needing holster advice for both.
     
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    I have purchased 2 CZ 75b pistols in 9mm.

    BOTH of them right out of the box exhibited the characteristic of flinging brass right back into the shooter's face. The first one stopped doing that after about 1500 - 2k rounds. The second I just acquired so I will shoot it more and hopefully it will clear up as well.

    Note this is with regular factory brass, no steel or aluminum cases.

    ETA - by "right out of the box" I mean without any gunsmithing and round count at 0 (or as close as it has ever been in my possession). I did not mean to imply that the gun had not been disassembled, cleaned, and lubricated - kinda figured that goes without saying but I guess some people need it said. CZ ships them swathed in something that resembles axle lube. I'm pretty sure they would shoot ok in that condition but it is my standard policy to always disassemble, inspect, clean and lube every new firearm I get prior to it's first range trip.

    BTW- mine are both stainless models as well.
     
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    This tossing of brass into the shooter's face, is that the kind of thing I could fix myself, with something like a spring change?
     
  19. mbs357

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    There's a spring that holds the slide stop in tightly, I believe.
    A plastic handled screwdriver, toothbrush (every gun cleaning kit should have one or two), and some people use the plastic magazine bases too.
     
  20. Moonclip

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    One jam in the initial break in wouldn't faze me. So you shot it really straight out of the box w/o any cleaning or adding or removal of lube?
     
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    I don't feel comfortable putting any fingers in the trigger when disassembling or assembling. Instead wrap your hand over the rear of the slide, pulling to the rear to align the disassembly notches. This will allow you to use one hand to hold the slide to the rear while you push out the slide stop with your other hand. You can find pics here http://glockmeister.com/pages.php?cID=3&pID=39 Look at photos 4 and 5. The guy in the pic is holding a Glock but it's the same basic hold.

    One question, did you clean and lube your CZ before taking it the range? I found that the packing lube can make the trigger grittier compared to when it's clean and lubed.
     
  22. Samuel Adams

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    That isn't an issue with my CZ 75B SA.
     
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    Get that fixed!
     
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    I'm guessing that you don't own a Glock, right? ;)
     
  25. TS537

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    No, I literally wiped off enough of the packing lube so the thing wouldn't fly out of my hands, then took it to the range and killed some paper good and dead. I asked the instructor if there was any need to do anything else. He said no. I'm very new to all of this.

    As for the brass in the face thing, it wasn't all the time, as I said in my OP. It'll be cleaned and oiled before the next time it hits the range on Saturday.

    I understand a lot of Glocks have this, too. With shooting glasses it's not that big of a deal, provided it will go away.
     
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