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CA Assembly passes SB362 Ammo ban

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by glockman19, Jun 7, 2007.

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  1. glockman19

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    CA Assembly passes SB362 Ammo ban and it now goes to the senate. I don't think Arnold will sign it if it gets to him but we must form a plan to stop abusive legislation. Since they can't get rid of firearms they're trying to get rid of the bullets. This bill limits residents to 50 rounds a month and imposes a $25 fee to process background check at purchase.

    I don't think arnold will sign it because it clearly violates interstatee commerce laws because it bans internet sales. If passed and signed it will take effect in June 2008.

    A Good reson to get into reloading.
     
  2. woo18

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    what the...

    It is important that everyone act to stop this. Complacency is how stupid gun laws get passed.

    I don't think this law violates any interstate commerce laws. California and many other states have laws that prevent certain internet sales. For instance, high (standard) capacity magazine sales.
     
  3. JLelli

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    Why do you think Arnie will not sign it? He is far from being a pro-gun politician (he recently appeared on the cover of Time magazine with gun-control kingpin Michael Bloomberg). And 50 rounds a month is a ridiculously Draconian restriction. How it got past the legislature is absolutely dumbfounding.
     
  4. silverlance

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    somebody write up a letter and post it up here with the appropriate link to send it to. im dead tired tonight and i did the last one. if no one steps up to the plate by tomorrow afternoon i will do it again.

    we need to get the word out to stop this bs. who are these idiots who propose these bills? are there actually people out there campaigning for this?
     
  5. jlbraun

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    What can non-CA residents do?
     
  6. silverlance

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    god, this guy is just barely outside my district.

    anyone live in district 45? that's in the los angeles/silverlake area. i will look on calguns. if we can get a bunch of people we can walk around asking for signatures, stuff like that.
     
  7. glockman19

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    I've made calls and written letters and unfortunately teh votes have been split right down party lines. All Dems in favor All Repubs opposed. The Gov. will NEVER sign this bill.

    But if he does I have made plans to buy into a shooting range. I'll also get into reloading BIG TIME. I already have saved over 1,000 rounds of .308/7.62 and .223/5.65 brass. And considerable amounts of once fired .45, .357 & 9mm.

    I'll buy enought brass, bullets, powder and primers to last me a lifetime, or take trip to Arizona or Nevada and fill up the car.

    Next elections vote for a Republican, Bleading heart Dems of the nanny state want to disarm you and controll you.
     
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    We feel for you Californians. Let us know how I/we can help and I'll/we'll flood your reps with letters, emails and phone calls.

    jeepmor
     
  9. Noxx

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    Actually it doesn't, it requires that sellers of more than 50 rounds a month register as vendors, etc, etc. There is also no "background check fee", but all your DL information IS required and recorded.

    Now, let me say up front that I'm vehemently opposed to this bill, as we all should be, for the obvious reasons, but it's important to have the proper information. As always I suggest reading the bill in it's native form, however here is a concise rendering...


    Where to begin? No interstate mail or internet transactions? I wish this bill did limit customers to 50rds / month, because then it would never pass. As it stands, it's onerous enough to make you grind your teeth, yet innocuous enough that a bunch of pandering screwballs will line up to pass it.

    These restrictions on sales never work. The sale of spraypaint is restricted, any impact on graffiti? Nope. The same for Alcohol and underage drinking, cold medicine and meth labs, you name it.. this sort of legislation has never had any success in abating the problems that engendered it.

    It's a bunch of state money going to waste to install and monitor a record keeping system that will never serve to abate gang violence, random shootings, etc.

    For those of us who bang steel for fun, cinch up your wallets. No out-of-state sales eliminates most of the competition in ammo prices, CA ammo will be on the rise in short order once the vendors have us by the shorts.

    In short, bad legislation, lots of bad info going around about it, just a wreck in general. If you do write or contact your rep, be sure to address the text of the bill, not the "hype" that is making the rounds, or your concerns will be dismissed out of hand.
     
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    Load the $(&% thing down with poison pill language. Repeal the Cali AWB.
     
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    50?

    I'm in my early 30s, and I've been interested in guns since early childhood -- but I never owned one until less than 10 years ago. If you'd asked me a while back, I wouldn't have had the foggiest idea how many rounds a "typical" gun owner might want to have on hand / shoot in a month / spend on a range weekend, but I sure know now that "50" just doesn't cut it.

    Something tells me that more legislators in CA need to get .22 autopistols for Xmas.

    timothy
     
  13. woo18

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    Such an obscene bill is a threat to gun owners everywhere. One simple request is that out of staters visit Arnold's website, and submit an e-mail opposition to this bill.

    http://www.govmail.ca.gov/

    For those of you within the state, you should try and call your state reps in addition to e-mailing the governor.

    This is bad!!!!
     
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    Everybody in CA should remember this stuff in November of 2008.
    Any Representative who votes for such a @#$$%% will be unemployed in 2009.:cuss:
     
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    As I read the bill, the seller can't SELL more than 50 rounds a month without becoming a licensed dealer. Nothing about the purchaser. :confused:
     
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    Alright guys, I emailed the Govenator, now the rest of you need to as well. This could very well turn into an epidemic if this bill passes.
     
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    I just fired off three emails. The first one to my assemblyman, democrat Pedro Nava. He's never replied before and I doubt he will reply to my last email. The guy is anti-gun.

    State Senator Tom McClintock, Republican good guy. He always replies and explains in his response his efforts to defeat these absurd bills.

    Arnold. Takes a while to get a response. He's vetoed gun control bills in the past. I trust he will do the same again.

    And thanks to the THR members from other states who are assisting in this fight.
     
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    If this bill is signed into law, I guarantee that Walmart and possibly Big 5 will stop selling ammo.
     
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    Just emailed the Governator. :)
     
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    Part of the 1968 Gun Control Act (federal) was the requirement
    that all dealers keep such records on ammo sales. It was quietly
    dropped because it was useless for law enforcement purposes.
    Now California revives something from '68 that the feds dropped?
     
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    The voting record shows this was a pretty narrow pass in Assembly, which gives a little hope. MY A.M. voted No, guess he can keep his job. For now.
     
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    Yep. This is another 'look at us, we're doing something' bills, not based on any possible effective use.

    We get a lot of these. :fire: I want legislators to do things which are measurably, objectively a positive influence on some clearly identified problem. That's not what most of them seem to be there for.
     
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    E-mail sent.

    Does anyone have any phone numbers or a site where I can get them? I think that a phone call is much more effective and much harder to ignore.
     
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    e-mail sent. Wish there was more I could do.
     
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    Links to all the CA legislators' web sites and contact information here.
     
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