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CA bill would ban all semi-auto rifles with detachable mags

Discussion in 'Legal' started by husbandofaromanian, Aug 11, 2013.

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  1. husbandofaromanian

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  2. The Lone Haranguer

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    Tube-fed .22s are about it.
     
  3. AKElroy

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    This is the silly part of such laws. Both mag tubes and SKS fixed-boxes are, in fact, detachable, just not easily. Don't think they would not make the leap once they get this foolishness passed.
     
  4. splithoof

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    ^^^Exactly about forcing you to comply. We elected them to rule over us; if we don't like it we have but few options: un-elect them next go around, bring suit in court, take our chances on the street, or leave the state. The latter is likely also the most practical, but not for all. Yea, it's nothing more than words on paper, but those words can lead to steel handcuffs and vertical bars with lots of concrete.
    In California, there are more voters who are more interested in what the politicians will dole out to them, and fewer and fewer who care about your piddly firearms. Vote with your feet. California is truly a lost cause.
     
  5. AKElroy

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    No, we hired them to represent us and follow our dictates. As for forcing compliance, I would love to see someone in a town hall ask OUR HIRED SERVANTS exactly what type of weapons they will be using to disarm those refusing to comply with this nonsense.

    THEY WORK FOR US. This foolishness must stop. When will a strong enough leader rise from among us to organize and help us fire these people?
     
  6. HexHead

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    Seems like the Garand would pass muster.
     
  7. splithoof

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    AKElroy, I must respectfully disagree. The majority of voting citizens in California want rulers, as those rulers will continue to redistribute the remaining wealth from those who have it to those who don't. That is their dictate, not the preservation of rights concerning firearms. To them those rights stand in the way of the greater goal for the greater good, and the proof of that is in their continual reelection, with the subsequent appointment of anti-gun law enforcement officials at all levels. Adding to this is the continued reelection of anti-gun sheriffs. Now I realize that there exist some in upper echelon law enforcement who are on our side, but the fact remains that those from the larger population centers are not, and that is where the state power base is located.
    Our hired servants don't like to say much about how they carry out operations, but time is on their side, and they know it. As the patriots die off, more and more of the voting masses go with the program, and eventually gun ownership will be going the way of cigarette smoking in California: serious decline.
    How do we change this? My solution is that we need to rid the state of the non-producers, but that is way too far off topic. Easier might be to get more voters into shooting, if we can make that happen before we have no places to do so. Just my two cents.
     
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    I would never voluntarily live in CA, but once every 3 years when the Corps gives me new orders there is a chance that I have to go back. This is getting absurd.
     
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    You seem to state your opinion as fact when, in fact, you have no proof that they are facts.

    Bashing a states population accomplishes nothing good.
     
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    Unfortunately, I think he is exactly right. If that is offensive to some, that is not the fault of the facts.
     
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    As a California resident for close to fifty years, and who has seen the state decline to the point of it's current situation, those are my views, and yes I am bashing it. I have watched the changing demographic of the voting public; look no further than to see the party in charge. Proof? That would take a lot of space to quantify, but as I see it anyone who has not noticed the steady decline, with a parallel decline in firearm related rights and opportunities is in serious DENIAL. Yes, the number of gun owners has seen major increases of late, but the increasing number of draconian laws has matched the pace. Currently according to CRPA, there are forty-nine (49) pieces of firearms related legislation making their way through the legislative process, and the outlook for a lot of it is that Jerry Brown will sign much of it into law. The Democrats have a solid majority in both state houses, and the governor is one of them. We can make all the calls, send all the letters and postcards, e-mails, etc., but in the end much of their pet legislation will go through eventually.
     
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    I've been a resident of Illinois for 43 years. Our state is just as anti-gun as California, but we are now getting implemented a Shall Issue Concealed Carry law. The only reason we got it is because of a District Court decision.
    If the Supremes do their job, I believe most of these BS laws are going to be wiped away. Hopefully, within my lifetime.:banghead:
     
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    I can't take the west coast sorry I can't help

    Another post tracked by the government.
     
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    I've been watching some of these new gun laws come down in the bad states. I think the anti gunners are over-reaching.

    Banning all detachable mag semi's comes very close to:

    Which has been explicitly declared unconstitutional. I think the lawsuits that spring from this kind of law are going to end up, in a few years, being the nail in the coffin of the entire idea of an AWB.

    Passing this law is, I think, a Pyrrhic Victory for anti's.
     
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    I haven't lived in Cali since I was a baby (army family -grew up moving from here to there and overseas as a child....) thank heavens. Here's the way I see it - folks generally get the government they deserve, unfortunately. For those that believe they deserve better (and I'm hoping that's at least half the state) they'd better get busy doing something about it. You either have to work to improve the situation or leave for someplace better. Noting the out migration from that state you can see what many have chosen.

    For the rest of us around the country, California and place similar are a cautionary tale... here in Florida, many I've know fear that California is just 20 or 30 years ahead of us.....
     
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    ^^^Yep. Been researching other places to retire to, in a few years. If everything goes as planned, and it is well on the way, Family will be out of here likely for good. We will miss the beach trips (now fifteen minutes away), but plan on making an annual camping trip back to the coast anyways. Wife and kids are all for it, leading the charge. For a whole host of additional reasons, not just the constant civil rights violations by the state, we are done with it, and don't ever see it changing in our lifetimes. The state won't miss us, the state will only miss our $$$.
     
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    I do believe common use clause would prevail in a court challenging.

    Also, doesn't CA already have a law against detachable mags hence the bullet button? Or is that just for AR type rifles.
     
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    And the thing is, as long as you take it the more they will do. The more we accept the laws the more of this nonsense will pass.
     
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    Bullet buttons are work-arounds to make rifles that would otherwise be assault weapons (CA state's definition, not the true definition) legal. Anything under the "named ban" is banned regardless of configuration. Non-named receivers that can be configured so that they would be "feature banned" can escape said ban by use of a bullet button.

    That said, there's another bill that seeks to make bullet buttons illegal. And another to vilify any magazine that "can or could" ever take more than 10 rounds, and that latter bill would make it so that you have to get rid of anything that you purchased legally and retained throughout the state AWB (which is still in effect, as noted above).

    Yeah - I have for years exhorted anyone and everyone I know to fight against these idiotic bills on principle, but there just aren't enough people who are interested in reading past the titles of bills. Those titles are essentially great marketing copy ("Keep Everyone Safe From Everything Ever Act of 2013"), so who could be against it? While I hate to say it, I'm with splithoof - I was born here and have lived nowhere else my entire life, but if these laws are passed and not instantly injuncted (is that a word?) and defeated, California will lose my income taxes for the rest of time, and I'll move to the next best state (still trying to figure this out for my family).
     
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    There comes a point, where you have to be like the pro-choice people, and loiter in the state capital to have your voice heard. You say there are not enough people? What happened to the loud, small squeeky wheel? You Californians need to just show up, and just do what the NY state people did, and not put up with this BS anymore. Don't comply!
     
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    Really time to start thinking about boycotting California businesses, whenever possible.
     
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    There are many forms of resistance. They can only destroy the Constitution if you allow them to. Remember that.
     
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    California is indeed a strange place. I am not sure if their residents are at fault there for electing these legislators or if we are at fault for supporting their economy.

    For a State that is so anti-gun, they make a ton of movies that depict extreme violence with the same weapons they want to ban. But is it us that supports their craziness buy purchasing tickets to their films. By us that purchase their agricultural products, I actually like FL orange juice better, hate lettuce, and do not drink wine. And when it comes to video games (not sure they are all made there) they are the most violent (Activision, Headquartered in Santa Monica, California, Call of Duty).

    Do we need to take action, yes by not purchasing their products or selling them ours. Stop purchasing your lowers from California companies, drink FL orange juice, tell the sponsors of the shows on ABC (Disney own) that you will stop buying their products if they keep advertising with a company that is so anti-2nd amendment.

    The only reason they think they can get away with this is because of the economic power that we are giving them by buying their crap. (SO STOP)

    You have the power, just learn how to use it.
    Jim
     
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  24. loose noose

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    Fortunately, I lived in California from '66-'92, primarily as a Law Enforcement Officer. However when they outlawed my Mini-14, and my Colt AR-15, and the taxes went thru the ceiling, I said enough, took my retirement and got the he!! out of that God Forsaken State.

    The biggest problem they have are all the people on welfare, food stamps, assisted government living, that are usually on drugs, or have a criminal record that still enjoy their right to vote, and want more of the big government way of life. How do ya think Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein keep getting elected?! Now more recently Jerry Brown (Moonbeam). I would definitely say the majority of the population must fall under the problem areas.

    Granted California is one of the most beautiful states in the union, but until I see some major changes in that state, you won't see me or my family going back there.
     
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    We got out in '89
    Moved to Colorado which is now, sadly, heading down the same rat hole.
     
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