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CA: Roosevelt High School Student Shot and Killed by Officer

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Chipperman, Apr 16, 2008.

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  1. Chipperman

    Chipperman Member

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    http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=6083383

    "According to Dyer, the officer managed to reach for his gun to protect himself but the clip fell out."

    One reason I don't like mag disconnects.
    Hope the officer will be OK.
     
  2. elrod

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    Must be some tough High School. Their own police officer. And he carries a BUG.:uhoh:


    Tragic
     
  3. toopercentmlk

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    I agree with ELrod that it's scary that he even thought he needed a BUG....
     
  4. Winchester 73

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    Probably be a call for Louisville Sluggers to be outlawed now.
     
  5. hankdatank1362

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    Chalk another one up for the logic of an ankle holster!

    I've only had mine for about a month, but with it, I have no reason NOT to carry a BUG.
     
  6. CountGlockula

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    Schools are getting very dangerous recently.
     
  7. plexreticle

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    When you're going for a back up that's about as hairy as it gets.
     
  8. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Hmmm

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    And the reason I despise light comp-style mag release pressure levels. Same reason I no longer own a Glock, a Taurus Mil Pro, or a Kel Tec. Same reason I ditched them for positive locking mag release guns like Kahrs, 1911s, CZs, & BHPs. I knew this would happen sooner or later in a reported case (and surely has happened many other times unreported) since it happened to me many times with those makes, and I never even *needed* the gun, unlike this good officer. Betcha anything it was a Gluck (no mag disconnect, but probably carried with empty pipe). Why oh why don't people engage their noggin about this important safety issue, I'll never understand.

    2. Thank goodness for backup guns and knowing how to quickly access them under stress. Glad he prepared for this situation.

    3. Sounds like the kid had it comin - good shoot.
     
  9. Zoogster

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    Poor guy, that hit had to be disorienting. I wonder what type of weapon was involved and if it had a magazine disconect rendering the round in the chamber worthless when the mag dropped.

    That feature is required to add a new pistol the the CA approved list. Though LEO are exempt.





    Edited to add, the type of weapon appears to have been a 96FS, which should not have had a disconnect.
     
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  10. Devonai

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    After tens if not hundreds of draws from concealment with several different models of Glock pistols I have never accidentally dropped the magazine. In fact, I've never accidentally dropped the magazine on any pistol, ever, with the exception of a Ruger P90 early in my shooting career. That's not to say it doesn't happen in combat, but blaming Glocks is just silly.
     
  11. Serial Fan

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    It is. I grew up in Fresno. I didn't go to Roosevelt but some friends of mine did. Tough place, although that was 25 years ago, and I haven't lived there for almost twenty years, so I don't know what the situation is now. But I heard some stories back in the day.
     
  12. jakemccoy

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    Winchester wrote,
    More likely, we'll see a push for disarming cops at schools.
     
  13. Winchester 73

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    It's California.Probably both.
    Formerly CA resident.
     
  14. jakemccoy

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    Glock has a magazine disconnect? Really? Since when?

    Also, the magazine release is difficult to mistakenly depress on a Glock. I'm handling my Glock right now.

    Am I witnessing the beginning of yet another Glock urban legend?
     
  15. Winchester 73

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    "Since the twelfth of never and thats a long,long time"
    Johnny Mathis.1962.
    Billboard.
     
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  16. C96

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    A 17 year old sophomore blindsided the officer when he stepped out of his office. That the officer was able to get his hand on any weapon was fortunate.

    This 17 year old sophomore was six feet tall and weighed 250 pounds and gets a free shot at the cop with a shortened baseball bat.

    I'd say the cop did pretty damn good.
     
  17. ColinthePilot

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    1. What pistol uses a clip? (sorry, clip vs magazine is a huge pet peeve of mine)

    2. just a general "HUH???" I carry a Taurus Mil Pro, and I've shot a few Glocks. I've never unintentionally dropped the magazine, on those or any other pistol i've ever handled. Unbelievable.

    3. good thing the cop had a BUG, but better if he learned how to unholster his sidearm without unloading it.
     
  18. Feud

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    Since he had just been struck in the head with a baseball bat, I am willing to forgive him being a little unsteady with his hands. ;)
     
  19. Zoogster

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    I did a bit of searching and found the weapon used by the Fresno PD is the Berreta 92FS issued to all personel as of the dates of the various references.
    That is a .40 S&W weapon that should not have a magazine disconnect standard.
    :(

    So most likely he either had a malfunction or carried with an empty chamber.
    Who knows though, maybe the safety was too complicated for him after getting hit in the head by a 200-250 pound guy (different articles state 200 and 250) with a baseball bat and he opted for the simplier BUG, likely a personaly owned weapon he could operate in such a state better than the duty weapon.
     
  20. jakemccoy

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    Zoogster wrote,
    It doesn't matter what kind of gun you say it was. Urban legend already has it as being a Glock. So, it was a Glock. :rolleyes:
     
  21. TAB

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    Mag disconnects have saved way more police officers then they have killed.

    In this case I'd bet it was user error. ethier the mag was not all the way seated or the mag release was hit during the draw.
     
  22. shdwfx

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    Really? If you have evidence of that, it would be good to know.
     
  23. Draven32

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    Naah, just a long complex and obscure registrations system, a California Approved Baseball Bat list, restrictions on allowing children access to baseball bats, and a requirement that baseball bats be kept in a DoJ- approved Baseball Bat Safe.
     
  24. scrat

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    this i can see them trying. He did what i would have done
     
  25. CWL

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    There are some pretty bad gangs in Fresno.

    Doubt the kid just sat back after he cracked the LEO once in the head, he probably kept swinging the whole time and hit the officer's hand or the primary pistol.

    Good thing the officer kept a clear enough head to reach for his BUG.
     
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