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CA: Two bills to BAN HANDGUNS to be voted on THIS WEEK!!!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Beethoven, Jun 2, 2005.

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  1. Beethoven

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    If you live in CA, you had damn well better call, write, fax, email, etc.

    EVEN IF YOU DO NOT LIVE IN CA, MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD BECAUSE IT IS A FACT THAT LEGISLATION THAT STARTS IN CA SPREADS TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, LIKE THE .50 BMG BAN!!!

    Calling, writing letters and faxing letters is MUCH more effective than emailing because it is more tangible.

    ANYWAY,

    The deadline for voting on SB 357 and AB 352 is THIS FRIDAY, JUNE 3. EACH BILL WILL ESSENTIALLY AND EFFECTIVELY BAN HANDGUNS IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.


    Click here for info on both bills and for contact info:


    http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml#contactinfo



    EVEN IF YOU DO NOT LIVE IN CA, PLEASE CALL, WRITE, FAX, AND EMAIL BECAUSE LEGISLATION THAT STARTS HERE WILL SPREAD TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, LIKE THE .50 BMG BAN!!!
     
  2. Omni04

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    wow, do you have any e-mail addresses we might be able to spam? :)

    or any contact information for that matter?
     
  3. dasmi

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    Click the link.
     
  4. WT

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    I just now read SB357. It deals with serialized handgun ammunition.

    IT DOES NOT BAN HANDGUNS!

    A little truthfulness would be appreciated.
     
  5. Beethoven

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    No, but it will effectively ban handgun ammunition in the state.

    What good are guns without ammo?

    It's the latest gun control tactic; "sure, you can have your guns, but not any ammo for them."

    I guess guns without bullets do make pretty cool paperweights. :rolleyes:
     
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    Hyperbole. Makes you sound like a liberal. Roll over, Beethoven :p
     
  8. torpid

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    These bills would also LEAVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY DEFENSELESS AGAINST ROBOT ATTACKS!!!

    (This post sponsored by Old Glory Insurance)

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  9. thorn726

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    AB 352=

    i dont get that one- all it says is it repeals the AWB provisions- what does that end up meaning?????????

    as far as the microstamping= uh yeah it doesnt make guns illegal, just nearly impossible to afford, plus what is the deal with older guns in this scenario??
    surrender? i dont get it at all. ludicrous. especially got to love the govt creating a monopoly for the companty making the stamping technology
     
  10. dolanp

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    They can't have the guns yet so they are gonna take the Chris Rock approach.
     
  11. BerettaNut92

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    I've seen one of these serialized bullets.

    I haven't figured out how it'll stop crime.
     
  12. jefnvk

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    While the bills are not good, it would be nice if a little more truthful definiton was being used. Makes you sound like a Florida liberal screaming 'Everyone's got a license to kill!'.
     
  13. rick_reno

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    Not me. I'm seat belted to my chair, making me safe from robot attacks. A small rabid animal could get me, but not once I erect my SRAS (small rabid animal screen). Homeland security has plans online, and they're free.
     
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    According to the NRA link, AB 352 just failed 33 to 30, but SB 357 passed out of the Senate and is heading to the Assembly. I am going to call my reps in 30 mintues when class is over.

    Crap! My assemblyman (Dean Florez) got elected to the Senate and I thought I was still in his district. Turns out I am not! I am in Roy Ashburn's district. Ooops! Florez voted no anyway. I am sure Ashburn and McCarthy did too, but I am checking for us.

    Their computers are down, but both of the aides told me they both probably voted no. I thanked them and told them I would continue to support them. If they didn't vote no, I was going to raise some hell. The aide at Ashburn's office said, "We will take that into consideration that you will raise some hell if we voted yes." I said thank you.
     
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  15. MrTuffPaws

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    I just sent my critters email. One was returned, so I have to call the office now. Thanks for bringing my eyes to AB 352. It is even more stupid that SB 357.
     
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    That link above says both passed

    BTW, anyone else happen to notice the coincidential numbering of 357? Kinda like those Texas 30-06 signs?
     
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    To all those who criticize me of hyperbole, I ask you to answer this simple question:

    What good are guns without ammunition?
     
  19. WT

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    Gimme' a break.
     
  20. El Rojo

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    Someone at the NRA needs to get their act straight. I know for a fact it said that AB 352 failed 33 to 30 at approximately 1430 hours until about 1515 hours when I left work. So now it passed eh? Great. We need to get ready to hit up the governator.
     
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    beethoven, I don't think you'd be getting flak if you wrote "...two bills that effectively ban handguns..."

    As written, the title implies that both bills explicitly ban handguns.

    El Rojo, is it possible they pulled some shenanigans and called for a re-vote, you know, like one of those re-votes where the democrats vote for their absent colleagues?
     
  22. Jim Diver

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    Its not the NRA's fault this time (cept they did little to notify PRK members). The problem is that if a bill fails on the floor, they can call it up over and over and over again till it passes. And they get to run around and ghost vote as well.

    It's a lethal flaw in the system.
     
  23. dasmi

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    Response from John Campbell
    Senator 35th District


    Senator Campbell
    <Senator.Campbell@sen.ca.gov> to me
    More options 4:34 pm (45 minutes ago)

    Thank you for your recent letter regarding SB 357 (Dunn) which would require handgun ammunition, by July 1, 2007, to be marked with a unique identifier that will be recorded and maintained in a database managed by the Department of Justice (DOJ). I understand your concerns.

    SB 357 is currently in the Senate. I believe this bill will have a harmful impact on current law enforcement efforts as well as the manufacturers of ammunition used by our nation's armed services and local law enforcement agencies.

    Criminals will easily defeat the technology. As with 'ballistic imaging,' criminals can and will easily defeat the 'micro-stamping' technology by simply filing away or scratching with a steel/wire brush the surface of the firearm where the laser engraving has been placed. Criminals will do this for the same reason they deface the serial number on firearms to avoid detection by law enforcement. Criminals will be able to confuse the police and send them on 'wild goose' chases by simply throwing around at crime scenes expended cartridge casings (having a make model and serial number imprinted on them) from other firearms.

    Mandating this technology will dramatically increase the price of firearms for all consumers, including municipalities and the State of California purchasing firearms for law enforcement agencies. This is because firearms for the civilian, law enforcement and military markets are all manufactured at the same time on the same machines using the same equipment and manufacturing processes. The cost would have to be spread across all products in all markets necessarily resulting in significantly higher prices for all products.

    For these reasons, I expect to oppose SB 357 if it comes to a vote in the Senate.

    You may follow the process of this bill or any other legislation by logging onto the Senate Web Page at www.senate.ca.gov; clicking on 'Legislation' on the left hand toolbar and following instructions from there.

    John Campbell
    Senator 35th District
     
  24. Jim Diver

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    John Campbell... Not a hopeful letter... He does not even know what the bill does!!!

    ***???? SB 357 has nothing to do with microstamping firearms....
     
  25. RevDisk

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    Uh, Jim? Is there an overwhelming need to correct his views if he is already opposed to the bill anyways? ;)
     
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