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CAI WASR-10 unintentional doubling shots

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  1. Navy_Guns

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    Hello folks. I let my brother in-law, my son, and my nephew shoot my WASR-10 AK on the range today and all three of them experienced unintentional doubles (BANG-BANG!). This has never been an issue for me shooting this rifle. It seemed worse for the boys (14 and 16) and worse when they were seated at the bench. I suspect it was how they were holding the rifle (too loose), their lower body mass, and inexperience because I couldn't get it to repeat the behavior unless I really tried to barely hold onto the rifle. My BIL isn't a big guy and not familiar with rifles, either. Nobody had issues with the AR-15.

    So, before I pull the fire control group out of the WASR, can anybody confirm a tendency for AK variants to double with folks of slim/slight build who may not be pulling into the stock well? If not, what should I look for first in the fire control group?
     
  2. Navy_Guns

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    OK, the SEARCH function is a good thing. Looks like the answer is "Yes, AKs can do this in some circumstances."
     
  3. Carl N. Brown

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    Aberdeen Proving Ground found that a loosely held M1 Carbine will double fire at times.
    I think it is the gun bouncing back against the trigger finger under recoil when the gun is held loosely.
    I have not tried to replicate the bump fire problem. .30 Carbine ammo has been pricey and/or unobtainable at times.
    I always snug my M1 Carbine into my shoulder, pull the trigger through and don't release the trigger until the sights have settled back on the target.
     
  4. brunowbe

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    Maybe a little inadvertent bump firing?
     
  5. mshootnit

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    just pull the trigger, they are not target guns. pull all the way through.
    pretty easy to pull the cover and test rack it a few times.
     
  6. Mosin Bubba

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    Century is notorious for defects with their AKs (BTDT), but if the rifle runs perfectly for you, I doubt there's an actual mechanical problem with it. Pry just some new shooters doing the rifle equivalent of limp-wristing.
     
  7. briansmithwins

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    I’d tend to agree with the unintentional bump firing, although when Century is involved I consider them guilty until proven innocent.

    With and unloaded rifle pull the dust cover and dry fire, after the hammer drops slowly cycle the action while holding the trigger to the rear. After the bolt’s back forward release the trigger and see how much engagement the hammer has on the sear face of the trigger. If the sear’s just barely catching the hammer after it’s released from the disconnector you’ve may have a real problem.

    BSW
     
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  8. brunowbe

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    Century does not build these rifles, they are only the importer. If I recall correctly, the only thing that Century does or did is open the magwell to fit standard mags. They may not even do that anymore with recent imports. They may also add cheap wood furniture. The fire control group should be all Cugir, so you can’t blame Century on this one (shame cause it’s easy to blame them because they can’t build for ____, you fill in the blank).
     
  9. briansmithwins

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    That’s good to hear. Generally the less ‘work’ CAI puts into a firearm the better off it is. If all they’re doing is an import stamp, you’ll be GTG. If they had to make a new receiver, or match headspace, you can be sure those jobs will be performed by the lowest bidder.

    BSW
     
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    I was of the impression that CAI put the TAPCO G2 trigger group in all the imported WASRs?
     
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  11. brunowbe

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    I stand corrected, they do put in a trigger group, so you may get to blame Century after all! I did some looking around and they either put in Tapco G2 (which isn’t a bad fcg at all) or they use their in house RAK-1 fcg.
     
  12. 7mmsavage

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    I’ve done it with my WASR several times. Unintentional double tap that is. I know for sure my rifle is not actually firing twice when I pull the trigger. I’m also not what you’d call a “lower body mass” guy. It’s usually when I’m shooting fast and don’t concentrate on pulling the trigger and holding it back after the shot. I’ve alway been a little surprised how light the trigger is on some AK’s.
     
  13. Navy_Guns

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    My three novice shooters were also trying to do what I'd told them to do on the pistols --> "Slow, easy squeeze on the trigger!" which made the problem worse. You're all right - it's not a target gun, I just didn't want them jerking the trigger.
     
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  14. whm1974

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    I hope there wasn't any ATF agents around...
     
  15. MechAg94

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    I have done it with the M1 Garand and M1A off the bench. Usually trying to lightly pull the trigger while shooting groups for accuracy while not having the stock firmly against my shoulder. They can be easy to bump fire if you are not careful.

    I would ask if these people were accustomed to firing bolt action hunting rifles. They might be used to sort of milking the trigger which doesn't work well with many semi-auto military rifles. That is more or less what I was doing.
     
  16. edwardware

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    Ouch. I've done it milking an AR, but a .30-06 had to be a bit unpleasant.
     
  17. GooseGestapo

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    I recently had two episodes of doubling on two different rifles. Similar but quite different causes.
    The first was a 1943 M1 Garand.
    Second was a near new Polymer reciever AR15.

    Pulling down the trigger group on the Garand revealed that some lube placed on the trigger sears had migrated to the disconector. Secondly, I was shooting lightly loaded 125gr match loads that were lightly recoiling and accuracy testing from a bench and bags, I was inadvertently bump firing.

    The AR proved to be contaminated with copious amounts of unfired extruded powder from some cast bullets loaded in reformed .223 to 300B.O. Cases that stuck on chambering and stuck the bullet in the throat when being cleared. (Thick milspec cases with over thick necks.).

    Cleaning both resolved the issues.
     
  18. MarshallDodge

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    It wouldn't matter as long as the reason for the doubling is that the trigger was being pulled twice which is probably the case.
     
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  19. teddybear1848

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    its not likely a shooter issue. If you pop the dust cover off and pull out the bolt carrier on the left hand side of the gun there will be a little wire called a "shepards hook" This is what holds your fire control group in the gun and working properly. If it isnt retaining the pins the for the FCG properly you will have occasional double fires.
     
  20. M-14

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    One of the first things to do to a AK when I get (another) one is dump that shepards hook. IMO the Red Star is by far the best one out there, and I think I've tried them all.
    Red Star Arms FCG Pin Retaining Plate-800x800.jpg
     
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  21. total recoil

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    One of my CMP Garands doubled every so often. They exchanged the trigger group and that fixed the problem.
    My PSA built lower that is on my AR 9mm often doubled, tripled, and quadroupled. This condition grew steadily worse as the gun aged.
    It made me smile when it happened, but I knew the law would finally hear it.
    I sent the lower back to PSA and they rebuilt it. As in the first case the problem never returned,
    No more fun for me. Worn or improper parts were all of my problem. Probably yours too.
     
  22. mjsdwash

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    Ive had a WASR since 04, and a friend bought one in 08, and they have totally different triggers. They're pretty much all going to have aftermarket triggers for 922 compliance, so you need to look at the trigger you have. My friends had a Tapco, If i recall, and mine had no marks at all. His was very prone to bump fire, whereas mine was not. His trigger was safe, legal, but the pull was about 2lb, with no clear break, you just squuzed a long squishy trigger until if fired unexpectedly. While this allowed him to shoot very well at long ranges, every time I picked it up, i would go looking for the second stage mine has and enevitably fire it early. Letting it bounce could make it bump fire from both the relatively light 8lb weight, shorts stock you didnt always have tight and light trigger if you didn't control it. You may have a similar condition.
     
  23. teddybear1848

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    So the reason you guys have different triggers is this. Yours was most likely imported in a "sporter" config and made 100 percent from romanian parts where as your buddies probably was configured to be a non sporter setup here state side by century arms and they swapped out the original fcg for the tapco one to meet 922r regulations.
     
  24. brunowbe

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