Caliber Wars and Pointless Statements

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by WrongHanded, Oct 25, 2021.

  1. Old_Grouch

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    Handle. Singular. You are woefully unprepared. You need at lest 15-17 ax handles to be truly combat ready. :D
     
  2. kje54

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    Not to mention what size axe handle. Size matters............ If it's a puny size you would have to hit the assailant in a vital area multiple times, a full sized one would take the assailant's head right off. :cool:
     
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    Not wasting any more time here that could be better spent cleaning the lint out of my sock drawer.
     
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    AND a backup! A tire thumper might work. Remember, "One axe handle is none, two axe handles is one.":D
     
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    A remark variously attributed to Mark Twain, Benjamin Disraeli, and others: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics!"
     
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    Not when I’m chauffering She Who Must Be Obeyed. She is more than adequate backup.
     
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  7. Leon tP

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    Reductive Reasoning, the art of over simplifying.
    "A modern 40 is just as good as a 45 and a 9mm with good jhp is as good as a 40 and even a 380 can be just as effective as a 9mm, if I do my part, and it's not much of a stretch to use a 32, if I make my shots count, so therefore, I could even use a 22 if I aim for the head. That's it then, I'm buying a 22 for defense!"

    Another one,...

    OP is losing a caliber debate and releases the the Winged Pegasus of pseudo scientific BS, the Hydrostatic Shock defense. I always find these discussions exceptionally amusing.

    Finally, the "Trust Me" argument, I use to work (inserts resumé of military, government, LEO, Special Ops, etc... with no way to verify) so therefore I know more than you, even if their arguments suck.

    Am I cynical? Yup. And I still keep coming back for more. :)
     
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  8. CraigC
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    There's nothing like a good piece of hickory! I added a pickaxe handle to my defensive battery in light of last year's rioting. ;)


    I'm going to "circle back" to the OP. I'm ashamed to admit that I'm on Facebook quite a bit, mostly in gun groups. There are a lot of misinformed people who think that shot placement is everything. That virtually any cartridge/load/bullet deficiency can be made up for with proper placement. I've been quoted as saying that, "Accuracy and wishful thinking won't make up for poor bullet/load selection" and it is absolutely true. Perfect placement, especially when made in deference to a less than optimal cartridge/load/bullet can overcome 'some' deficiencies but not all. I see this quite often among those who think the 10mm is a bear cartridge. Some even go so far as to tout them as a better choice than a big bore revolver, due to magazine capacity. You can kill 200lb black bears all day long with it but when faced with a +1000lb brown that needs a shoulder broken, heart/lungs perforated and a third eye on his hip, in the hopes that it slows him down enough to finish him off before he eats you, it's woefully inadequate. It can't launch a heavy enough, large enough bullet fast enough to do the job. Choose the wrong tool for the job and shot placement won't always save you. Same thing applies to the hardball for self defense argument. Hardball may "work" but a flat nosed solid or JHP will work significantly better and quicker. You won't catch me shooting anything but targets and inanimate objects with it.


    This stems from a basic misunderstanding of how bullets work and the misuse of energy as a gauge of a cartridge's effectiveness. Energy has people believing that handguns are woefully inadequate, even for deer sized game. We know from experience that this is patently false. That everything that has been killed with a rifle has also been killed with a handgun producing FAR less energy. In fact, handgun loads will easily outpenetrate rifle loads that most folks would swear are "more powerful". I've tested 225gr .338 loads that penetrated a third of that of the best revolver loads.
     
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    Ah yes, two is one and one is none, obviously a statement by somebody who didn't understand basic math concepts.
     
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    Has anyone mentioned my "favorite?" I don't think I saw it anyway..."Spend a few dollars more and get (insert most anything here)."
     
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    “Be that as it may, I still prefer my (insert most anything here)”
     
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    "SHEESH!!"
     
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    The Clays games gun Corollary:
    "My <Turkish Clays shotgun> is just as good as your $5000 Clays gun."
    To which the standard response is "Tell me that in 50K or 100K rounds."
    Said guns have their place, no doubt. And the quality is getting better. But by the time the are as good as the Beretta and Browning Clays guns, they will be $5000.
     
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    the reality is that you could just say luck is what determines the outcome in 90% or more of attacks, and you would probably have the most provable answer.
     
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  15. CraigC
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    The concept of "you get what you pay for and seldom get what you don't" is still lost on a lot of people. We got a couple Yildiz shotguns a few years ago, a side by side and an over/under, both 20ga. They're really nice for what they cost but under no circumstances should anyone try to convince themselves that they're "just as good" as something that costs 10x as much.
     
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