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Caliber wars!

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by ThatGiantMidGet, Jan 26, 2013.

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  1. Bikewer

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    Bear in mind as well that few individuals have the time, money, and resources to exhaustively test a wide variety of firearms and ammunition...
    So discussion from many points of view can be valuable.

    However, over the many years, I have seen varieties of "tests" done by various agencies and gun magazines and other groups which were highly suspect in terms of methodology and conclusions.

    Human beings are extremely variable in terms of size, strength, determination, chemical enhancement, and many other factors as well. Bullets tend to strike human beings in various locations and at varying angles because of all that it's very difficult to devise a test that tells you a great deal about combat performance....
    About the best that can be done is to say what a particular load will do in a particular test medium.
    Careful analysis of actual shooting incidents over a long time period is liable to at least give an indication of trends and averages, which is about the best that can be expected.
    Unfortunately, such data is difficult to come by.
     
  2. Roadking Rider

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    Been on the net and shooting to long to go down this road again. As as far a JY. Ppffftt who cares what he thinks.
     
  3. BlindJustice

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    Cartridge/Chambering

    Not Calibers caliberr is a characteristc of Cartrdge/bore size

    How many different cartrdges in <insert caliber> yah want?

    Randall
     
  4. Skribs

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    Except I've always heard it "caliber war" not "cartridge war" on the forums. Usually because the common culprits are 9/40/45.
     
  5. saulteux

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    I couldn't care less about caliber, as long as it makes a deep enough hole where I want that hole to be.
     
  6. R.W.Dale

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    posted via that mobile app with the sig lines everyone complains about
     
  7. Queen_of_Thunder

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    Just get a glock 20 with 15 rounds of 10MM. Capacity us force.
     
  8. KenW.

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    Well, insofar as handguns go, if it's not a 22LR, 22Mag, 25ACP, 32ACP, 38spec, 38Super, 9mm, 357 Mag, 10mm, 40SW, 45 Colt, .410 bore, 41 Mag, 44 Mag, or a 45ACP; I just don't want it!

    I'll still pass on a 45GAP, thank you very much.
     
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  9. Skribs

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    I'm with you Ken.
     
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    Ok So Idk Whats going on with TheHighRoad But basically this is a thread to nowhere now since my links went missing (sorry people) :banghead:
     
  12. Skribs

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    Caliber war threads are always a thread to nowhere.

    And half the time I learn something.
     
  13. pdosh

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    From studies I've read they all get the job done about the same in the real world. I started with a 40 and shoot that the most in USPSA but downloaded to 9mm power mostly. But I have a couple of 9mm too and use my M&P Shield in local IDPA because that's what I carry lately.

    A good reason to have a 40 is I can buy ammo everywhere in town today for it, but no 9mm in sight!
     
  14. Skribs

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    As I've recently learned, another good reason for .40 or .357 is that if you want a 9 all you need is a new barrel. If you get 9 and want to go up you need at least a new slide.
     
  15. BlindJustice

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    My shooting buddy goes on an annual hike&camp in the Idaho panhandle every summer when his brother comes up from Calif. every summer. This past summer the Forest Service ranger warned of Black Bear activity in the area. He had his Glock 19/9mm along with him but felt a bit undergunned.

    About 2 months ago he got a new camping gun.... a Glock 20/10 mm Auto. I've shot it and it's impressive. Better suited to heavier bullet weights when compared to the .40 S&W. He handloads and is working on 200 gr. loads. Seems appropriate for the use.

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  16. Skribs

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    Yeah, for two-legged predators and most four-legged American predators, I'd say the 9/.40/.45 probably aren't going to be much worse (per bullet) than something heavier, like .357 sig, 10mm, or some of the more obscure calibers. But if you're going up against something bigger, you probably want heavy FMJs in a more powerful cartridge.
     
  17. KenW.

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    I find this entertaining. Regardless what some of those who post here say.

    Still don't want a .45 GAP.
     
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    we are talking shooting at 5 to 20 feet , right ?..
    115gr 9mm dbl.tap , 230gr 45ACP 1 shot, 9mm 15 round mag is = to 1911 45ACP with only 8 rounds so pick your gun and your cal. and hope you never need it ,
     
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    Why not go for the biggest and fastest? 45 cal 240 grains @1917 fps with 45 grains of win 296 propelling it. It doubles as a flash bang :) OK, the 460 is just a range toy.

    I can shoot all three very well-9mm, 40, and 45 acp. I compete with 9mm 124 JHP at 970 fps. It is very fast for follow up shots and would hold the most with standard mags (10 rounds in CA by law). 40 cal is a bit snappy with mid to full power loads, but I can still shoot well with it. 45 ACP is easy to shoot but it takes a little longer to recover the sights after that bigger push from the recoil.

    In Cali, they can all hold only 10 rounds for the average civilian. I don't know how much difference a faster shooting 9mm would make vs. a 45 acp with almost twice the bullet weight, but a slower transition time from target to target.
     
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    Any of the 3 cartridges should work fine if you triple tap him, step to the side, evaluate and shoot some more if necessary!

    2 is the statistical number of torso or head shots you need to stop someone, but add in the third shot for felons who are not statisticians.

    That being said, my backup HD gun is 44 special, which has ballistics very similar to 45 auto. If i didn`t have the 44 I would buy a 357 and probably shoot 38 plus p for in the house.
     
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    +1 with Lobo9er

    45 is a nice, gentle push, and not a snap at all. This is the main reason it is one of my favorites.

    I have shot lots of 40,9,357 sig (talk about snappy!), and all the usual revolver stuff.
    Just because a round is snappy is not enough for me to dismiss it, and I really enjoy shooting 357 sig. That said, I prefer to have lots of 9 and 45 around to simply limit my broad range of calibers in use. On most days, a 9 feels adequate, and when ill, I like a plastic 9 because it is light. If you argue for availability in the field, I would bet 9 and 45 beat out 40.
     
  22. PabloJ

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    I would agree with assessment of .40S&W. At least one can actually find ammo in that caliber on store shelf. Never had good sense when buying handguns. Instead of choosing one of half dozen Glock 24s on table I chose five-shot revolver:banghead: chambered for 9mm Luger cartridge.:(
     
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    10mm here... followed extremely closely by .45acp. Everything else is a step down. :cool:
     
  24. BlindJustice

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    Just a Datum point so bear with me....

    I live in SE Wash. State, Whitman County is pretty much dryland wheat
    with the occaisional valley with a bit of water to green things in a college
    town of Pullman Wash. - Wash. State Universityl


    Wash State Patrol has a regioal office and patrolmen out of
    the County seat 17 milts north of Pullman
    WSP - S&W M&P .40 S&W - they dropp some H&K .40s some
    few yearrs back because of lack of customer service
    Whitman County SHerifs - Kimber 1911 <-- new sheriff about 6-7?
    years ago had them convert from Glocks

    WSU Campus Police - Glock .40 full size

    Pullman City Police Glock 17 for Uniforms and G19 for plain clothes

    Magazines tween departments don't transfer

    R-
     
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    Or if you're a man, get a G20!
     
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