Jim March
Member
Well, according to Ross PD, there have been no recent denials of CCW and two currently issued permits: one to a lawyer who defends companies in suits brought by employees and therefore had death threats (with some credible evidence) and of course Sean Penn.
Penn's "good cause" involved claims of threats from a stalker. Penn hired a "threat assessment firm" called "Gavin De Becker and Associates" (www.gavindebecker.com) who apparantly specialize in VIP security. They in turn produced reports on the specific threatening individual(s?) and classed him/them as "high level threat(s?)". There are copies of the reports on GDB letterhead with the names of the threatening person or persons blacked out (which in my opinion is proper).
Ross PD seems to have gone to extreme lengths to sort out Penn's criminal record. First Cal-DOJ cleared him, at which point the Ross "police chief" (who actually holds the title of "Director Of Public Safety) name of Ridgway talked to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office, which apparantly rebuffed all contact(!). His faxed message to that agency implied he was neither happy nor impressed; he then queried LAPD.
(Poor Ridgway seems to have gone through considerable pain over the Penn matter already, I actually feel for the poor guy!)
The big remaining questions involve Penn's actual criminal record...it appears some stuff was *missed*. Rather than go into detail special for THR, I'll continue by quoting the EMail message I'm sending to Mr. Ridgway right at this moment. Meanwhile, does anybody know anything about Gavin De Becker?
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An open letter to Mr. Michael J. Ridgway, Director of the Ross Department of Public Safety.
Mr. Ridgway,
First, let me thank you for your candid response to my Public Records Act request. It’s clear you’ve made a good-faith effort to comply with the PRA, far more so than most other agencies.
The ability to access CCW records under the PRA is a matter of some controversy and in some cases, documented illegality. You might find the following material of interest regarding that issue, although the problems noted to NOT apply to how you responded to my request:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19889
As you’re aware, the Sean Penn permit issuance has triggered quite a bit of controversy. I would assume you’re aware that the Marin County Sheriff’s Office has been particularly “stingy†with permits, including at least some reported denials of currently sitting Marin County Superior Court judges. So when news hit that Penn had CCW, it provided a “stark contrastâ€, as it was initially assumed he was issued out of the sheriff’s office until later media reports pegged Ross PD as the issuing agency.
My first concern with the information in your PRA response is that there are no denials to report. Is it that nobody else asked, or is it that denials weren’t documented? We know that at the state level, the California DOJ has been ignoring a mandate to document denials statewide since 1/1/99 (see URL above) so there seems to be “something to hide†in denial records?
But clearly, I can’t prove anything one way or the other with your case so I’ll simply note that as an interesting data point.
Part of the controversy with Penn’s permit is that, well, he has a history of violence. That and the apparent trend where the wealthy get access to CCW has stirred serious discussion online. Examples you might find interesting include:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17763
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17763&perpage=25&pagenumber=2 (page two of the same discussion)
In particular, some of the alleged quotes by Penn on his violent past are enough to give one pause:
"I hate journalists. Or better. I hate paparazzi. Yeah, I punched them out and I'll do it again if it's necessary. I think a fist in their face is the only way to protect my private life. I demand my freedom. And I must have it."
Source:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Bungalow/6339/QUOTES.html
"Family makes me feel there's a reason I'm alive... I'm feeling my life, which I didn't always do partly because I'd be drunk a lot."
Source:
http://www.saidwhat.co.uk/quotes.php?name=Sean Penn&type=2
Of even more concern is an alleged timeline of Penn’s criminal past, as compiled via public sources online:
In 1985, Sean Penn was arrested in Nashville for assault and battery for attacking two photographers with a rock. He plead guilty, paid a fine and was given a suspended sentence.
In 1986, Penn slugged a man he accused of trying to kiss his wife. Again he plead guilty and was placed on parole.
In 1997, while on parole for his previous conviction, he punched an extra working on his film "Colors" who tried to take a picture of him. He served half of a 60-day jail sentence for parole violation.
In 1998, Penn was accused of hitting a photographer with a rock. Penn claimed the photographer attacked the rock in Penn's hand with his head and injured himself. No arrest was made.
Mr. Ridgeway, in your PRA response, you list a traffic incident (minor speeding) in 2001, a lawsuit which Penn was involved in (business dispute resolved in Penn’s favor) in 1998/9, and the assault conviction of 1987 for the 1986 incident. The Nashville incident (assuming the above was correct) wasn’t mentioned, neither was the 1997 assault. Did you and/or the California DOJ “miss these� Or are these reputed incidents in error somehow?
Any clarifications on these issues you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Please be aware that CCW issuance in general is subject to equal protection principles per the US 9th Circuit in Guillory vs. Gates (1983): http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/guillory.html
By that standard, the legions of people out there who feel we have been unfairly denied access to permits have a legitimate interest in asking about how permit issuance is handled across the state. Which is exactly why the California Supreme Court threw open the permit records in CBS vs. Block: http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/cbsvblock.html
This letter and any follow-up public comments to it will be posted at:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20292
Thank you for any light you’re able to shed on these questions,
Jim March
Equal Rights for CCW Home Page
http://www.equalccw.com
Penn's "good cause" involved claims of threats from a stalker. Penn hired a "threat assessment firm" called "Gavin De Becker and Associates" (www.gavindebecker.com) who apparantly specialize in VIP security. They in turn produced reports on the specific threatening individual(s?) and classed him/them as "high level threat(s?)". There are copies of the reports on GDB letterhead with the names of the threatening person or persons blacked out (which in my opinion is proper).
Ross PD seems to have gone to extreme lengths to sort out Penn's criminal record. First Cal-DOJ cleared him, at which point the Ross "police chief" (who actually holds the title of "Director Of Public Safety) name of Ridgway talked to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office, which apparantly rebuffed all contact(!). His faxed message to that agency implied he was neither happy nor impressed; he then queried LAPD.
(Poor Ridgway seems to have gone through considerable pain over the Penn matter already, I actually feel for the poor guy!)
The big remaining questions involve Penn's actual criminal record...it appears some stuff was *missed*. Rather than go into detail special for THR, I'll continue by quoting the EMail message I'm sending to Mr. Ridgway right at this moment. Meanwhile, does anybody know anything about Gavin De Becker?
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An open letter to Mr. Michael J. Ridgway, Director of the Ross Department of Public Safety.
Mr. Ridgway,
First, let me thank you for your candid response to my Public Records Act request. It’s clear you’ve made a good-faith effort to comply with the PRA, far more so than most other agencies.
The ability to access CCW records under the PRA is a matter of some controversy and in some cases, documented illegality. You might find the following material of interest regarding that issue, although the problems noted to NOT apply to how you responded to my request:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19889
As you’re aware, the Sean Penn permit issuance has triggered quite a bit of controversy. I would assume you’re aware that the Marin County Sheriff’s Office has been particularly “stingy†with permits, including at least some reported denials of currently sitting Marin County Superior Court judges. So when news hit that Penn had CCW, it provided a “stark contrastâ€, as it was initially assumed he was issued out of the sheriff’s office until later media reports pegged Ross PD as the issuing agency.
My first concern with the information in your PRA response is that there are no denials to report. Is it that nobody else asked, or is it that denials weren’t documented? We know that at the state level, the California DOJ has been ignoring a mandate to document denials statewide since 1/1/99 (see URL above) so there seems to be “something to hide†in denial records?
But clearly, I can’t prove anything one way or the other with your case so I’ll simply note that as an interesting data point.
Part of the controversy with Penn’s permit is that, well, he has a history of violence. That and the apparent trend where the wealthy get access to CCW has stirred serious discussion online. Examples you might find interesting include:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17763
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17763&perpage=25&pagenumber=2 (page two of the same discussion)
In particular, some of the alleged quotes by Penn on his violent past are enough to give one pause:
"I hate journalists. Or better. I hate paparazzi. Yeah, I punched them out and I'll do it again if it's necessary. I think a fist in their face is the only way to protect my private life. I demand my freedom. And I must have it."
Source:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Bungalow/6339/QUOTES.html
"Family makes me feel there's a reason I'm alive... I'm feeling my life, which I didn't always do partly because I'd be drunk a lot."
Source:
http://www.saidwhat.co.uk/quotes.php?name=Sean Penn&type=2
Of even more concern is an alleged timeline of Penn’s criminal past, as compiled via public sources online:
In 1985, Sean Penn was arrested in Nashville for assault and battery for attacking two photographers with a rock. He plead guilty, paid a fine and was given a suspended sentence.
In 1986, Penn slugged a man he accused of trying to kiss his wife. Again he plead guilty and was placed on parole.
In 1997, while on parole for his previous conviction, he punched an extra working on his film "Colors" who tried to take a picture of him. He served half of a 60-day jail sentence for parole violation.
In 1998, Penn was accused of hitting a photographer with a rock. Penn claimed the photographer attacked the rock in Penn's hand with his head and injured himself. No arrest was made.
Mr. Ridgeway, in your PRA response, you list a traffic incident (minor speeding) in 2001, a lawsuit which Penn was involved in (business dispute resolved in Penn’s favor) in 1998/9, and the assault conviction of 1987 for the 1986 incident. The Nashville incident (assuming the above was correct) wasn’t mentioned, neither was the 1997 assault. Did you and/or the California DOJ “miss these� Or are these reputed incidents in error somehow?
Any clarifications on these issues you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Please be aware that CCW issuance in general is subject to equal protection principles per the US 9th Circuit in Guillory vs. Gates (1983): http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/guillory.html
By that standard, the legions of people out there who feel we have been unfairly denied access to permits have a legitimate interest in asking about how permit issuance is handled across the state. Which is exactly why the California Supreme Court threw open the permit records in CBS vs. Block: http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/cbsvblock.html
This letter and any follow-up public comments to it will be posted at:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20292
Thank you for any light you’re able to shed on these questions,
Jim March
Equal Rights for CCW Home Page
http://www.equalccw.com