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California goverment must be taught

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Sam, Jun 14, 2008.

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  1. Sam

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    The Attorney General of the Peoples Republik of **********, a Mr. Brown, Edmund Jr. 1 ea., sent me a notice today informing me that if I want to send firearms to an FFL in California, I have to register with their office and receive written permission from them in the form of an authorization number, prior to shipping firearms to an FFL in California.

    Until such time as the citizens of California return to their senses, regain control of their sorry government and repeal this and all similar laws, rules or administrative regulations, I will not be shipping any firearms to California.

    I will work on firearms belonging to private citizens of California but they will no longer be able to have one transferred from my shop to theirs.
    I can no longer in good conscience work on firearms belonging to the State of California, agents of the State of California or any political subdivision or agent thereof and will not entertain their business.

    To my friends In California, I grieve for you. To my police friends in California, please do not take it personal. If I didn’t have standards you wouldn’t like me much anyway.

    Sam Damewood
     
  2. VPLthrneck

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    Kudos to you Sam!
    So what's the plan? Get all non-CA FFL holders going to stop shipping to CA addresses? How about contacting the "big guys" (S&W, H&K, etc.) about stopping sales into CA, and to CA agencies? Follow the steps of Ronnie Barrett type of thing.
    So the guns you have from CA customers, are just waiting on them to drive to NM and get them. I bet police departments will love to see those vacation requests.

    Here's a question for any legal-eagles out there:
    Isn't this law in violation of the Commerce Clause? Sounds like it follows in the footsteps of Maine's law that tried to make delivery drivers verify the age of anyone who ordered tobacco products before they could deliver them.:banghead:

    This eases the pain of the lost wages from being transfered out of that state.
     
  3. A man with a gun!

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    You guys are following along with the plan exactly as our liberal legislators had envisioned.

    Anything to make it tougher on a law abiding California gun owner.

    And these fools keep getting voted into office. :banghead:
     
  4. Sam

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    No cops will be taking vacation to get their guns worked on.

    If you are an agent of the state of California, I'm not working on your stuff.

    One of my biggest supporters, a fellow that has praised my work extensively and sent me a lot of business is a high ranking policeman working for the state of California. I owe him a lot, and he may forever condemn me for this, but I'm going to do a Ronnie Barret, in my own small little way.

    A good old U.N. style embargo

    I encourage all of my fellow FFL's to do the same.
     
  5. SCKimberFan

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    It is the residents of the state of Kaliforication that will suffer, but perhaps this will energize them to work to change to Gawdawful Marxist laws.
     
  6. armoredman

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    Smith, Glock, and SiG all said they would have to think long and hard about continuing business with Kali in ANY way if Ahnold signed the microstamping bill. Now to see if they stand firm, or break weak.
    Kudos to you sir, to not do business with thier government agencies.
     
  7. dejr2000

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    I'm with you Sam. I received the letter the other day and I don't think I'll be shipping to California, not worth the hassle. If California residents don't like it they need to change their elected officials that allow these things to happen, IMO!
     
  8. karlsgunbunker

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    I got the same letter on thursday.
    It went straight into the shredder.
     
  9. Standing Wolf

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    Well done! Courage is contagious.
     
  10. Orange_Magnum

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    Californians hurry to disarm themselves as a comment to the brewing criminality in the streets and local politicians gathering power for personal use. It's the least American state by now.

    If you are in the market for a new gun, don't buy one from a gun company that deals with California. Buy a used gun and write the gun company about your action.
     
  11. Old Fuff

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    Of course. You are absolutely right. But there is no reason that businessmen (FFL holders) outside of California should be expected to put up with such stupid (and maybe an unconstitutional restraint of interstate trade). Is there some reason that California gun owners deserve special consideration?

    Of course it will. That is part of the plan. The ultimate goal is to end private ownership of firearms in California as much as possible.

    Of course they do! That's because they are left-wing socialists in a state where the majority of voters like the socialist lifestyle. Those that are determined to live there must accept that fact, because there is no evidence the situation will change for the better; and while those of us that live elsewhere are sympathetic to the plight of California’s shooting community there is little we can do to influence the legislators who are responsible for these outrageous laws. To them our protests are a joke.
     
  12. bobbarker

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    I love that FFL's are going to stop shipping to California. I'm stuck out here right now, and will be leaving *hopefully* soon, but I still feel for the lawful gun bearing people of the state, and something should be done. Keep fighting the good fight men.
     
  13. VPLthrneck

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    I was stationed in San Diego when Ed Brown got elected into the state AG position. There was ALOT of anti-Ed feeling in SD, but San Fran and LA got him elected. If this doesn't work out for him, he'll try it another way, it's part of his campaign promises, and this one he'll try to keep his word on.
    For all of you in CA, call your state assemblymen, senators, and the Governor's office, demand a recall of Brown, fight this locally!
    Currently that's near impossible, but definately will be writing/calling them to express my concerns about this issue.
    Call them and hold there feet to the fire-so to speak.
     
  14. .38 Special

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    The "If you don't like the FFL laws, you guys in ************ are just going to have to wise up and start kicking out the socialists!" posts just about make me want to move to Switzerland so I can write stuff like "If you don't like the 1968 Gun Control Act, you guys in the United Socialist States are just going to have to wise up and start kicking out the commies!". It's not helpful, and enough of it starts getting on your nerves.

    So catch a clue, rednecks: gun owners are doing everything we can in this state. We are simply outnumbered by the L.A./S.F. goofballs who think anything to do with guns is evil and would be overjoyed to see the entire industry implode, economic harm notwithstanding. So if you don't have anything constructive to say, how about you just go play with your guns, eh?

    There. Now I feel better. :D
     
  15. .38 Special

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    Oh, and one other thing: while I absolutely respect the rights of any American to conduct or not conduct a business in any way he sees fit, discouraging importation of firearms into this state is exactly what the gun banners are trying to accomplish. Chest-thumping posts about "I'm not selling to those commies any more!!!" may make the author feel good about himself, but they make anti-gunners feel even better. So between the "Californians have the government they deserve" posts, and the "I refuse to do business with Californians" posts, I'm beginning to wonder which side some of you folks are really on.
     
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    This should be a call to all California gun owners to unite and try to take back some ground. I feel like FFL's should stop dealing with California police, rather than the common man. That might get the government's attention.
     
  17. TAB

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    What I wish would happen here is some one to pass a law that stated all LEOs/ LEA agencys had to fallow the current gun laws. There would be so much fall out, it would be like ww3 had started. " you wanted it for every one else, now you got it for yourself"
     
  18. nicki

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    Ed Brown Cal AG

    Cal AG Jerry Brown is a liberal, but let's take a look at his actions.

    When he was actually the Govenor, he signed no new gun control legislation during his 8 years in office.

    Since he has taken over as state AG, he has reduced the size of the Cal DOJ firearms division. The prior AG Bill Lockyer has an obvious vendetta against gun owners.

    Jerry Brown's pet agenda is the enviroment, not guns. When he was running for president he supported replacing the Income Tax with a 13 percent Flat tax.

    I am not a big fan of Jerry Brown, but he is someone that we probably at least have a chance to work with.

    The reality is many democrats hate the gun issue because it sets them back on other things that they feel are really important.

    Union leaders know they have lost and will continue to lose close elections because of the gun issue.

    California is a battelground state. We should not be abandoning California, what we should be doing is drawing the line and staging counter offensives.

    It is better to wage gun control battles in California than in your home state.

    If the gun banners can't win in California, they won't even try in many other parts of the country.

    Nicki
     
  19. fastbolt

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    I try to make it a point to avoid telling a business person what I think he/she should, and should not, do ...

    Their business, so it's their business.

    On the other hand, I have no problem taking my business elsewhere should I decide I dislike some policy, practice, philosophy, etc. of a business to the point where it overrides my desire to buy some product or receive some service from them. Sauce for the goose, so to speak.

    Firearms & firearms-related business subjects do tend to raise hackles when it comes to this sort of thing, though, especially on firearms-related forums. Not really surprising.

    So, when folks start to mix business practices & decisions with political considerations & situations? Well, it won't take long for folks to start voicing opinions and 'taking sides'. Again, not surprising.

    Funny thing, though, I've never thought to ask the political leanings & philosophies ... nor specifically the RKBA beliefs, if any ... of the automobile & motorcycle sales & service facilities I patronize, nor the grocery store, coffee shop, restaurants ... nor my doctor, either. Would I refuse to patronize them, or receive their services, should I ask and discover they have strong feelings counter to my own in areas not related to why I'm receiving care and/or services from them?

    In this specific instance it appears the OP says he's reacting to a new administrative requirement of the state of CA to which he objects and which directly impacts his ability to do business in this state, and which he is seemingly disinclined to work with, so his choice is to not do business in the state any longer. With anyone. Even with the folks who had no part of crafting, requesting, implementing or supporting this administrative change.

    Hey, it's his choice, though, and I can't gainsay his decision on refusing to do business in CA. Not my place.

    Perhaps this is a 'last-straw' personal reaction based upon his views and opinions of CA's political and legislative environment. Maybe? :neener:

    Hey, whatever, it's his business, and his call to make.

    Now, CA's political environment and demographics may, or may not, allow for it's laws & regulations to be changed by its population expressing the desire for such change ... in the manner stated as being desired by gun owners on these forums. Maybe the beliefs, desires and day-to-day concerns of the state's growing population - as a whole, or even a significant majority - just won't ever place the subject of changing firearms laws and firearms-related administrative regulations on any sort of high priority ... or concern themselves with meeting the expectations of folks from other states. Dunno.

    I wouldn't be overly surprised, however, to see such things as occur here slowly spread to some other states, if only in small numbers. Once again, not exactly surprising.

    I've lived in CA for more than 50 years, although I wasn't born here. I've seen the state change in significant ways during that time.

    When I retire I'm planning to move to another state. I'll be doing so for a number of reasons ...

    As far as the major firearms manufacturers changing from being in business to make profits to being in business to promote political change? Well, not sure I'd hold my breath on that one :rolleyes: ... especially when it comes to those companies whose their parent offices are owned by foreign corporations in countries which don't have similar political and governing philosophies. It's business, not personal, and not political. It's business.

    I'd suspect the eventual decision of some firearms manufacturer(s)... if it occurs ... to stop making CA compliant firearms because of the F/P microstamping legislation, would be because of a business-based (manufacturing cost/profit) reason, and not because they might consider it as an 'unreasonable encroachment upon the rights' of persons to own firearms.
     
  20. fixyurgun

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    To .38 Special; What would You have out of state FFLs do then? Jim
     
  21. archigos

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    You're not going to "teach California a lesson" by refusing to ship guns to its citizens. Those citizens buying guns are the same ones fighting against the corruption that led to this post. You're only going to be hurting the sensible people in California - and helping the gunbanners to be even more effective.
    Now, if you're not going to ship to California because its too much of a hassle for you and not worth the money, there's nothing wrong with that. That's called a business decision. Just don't pretend that you're doing it to "take a stand". You're only standing against gun owners.

    A suggestion, for those who are considering action for the sake of taking a stand against the Socialist Republic of California:
    • Continue servicing your loyal customers and gun owners who are real citizens.
    • Refuse service to members of the California elite class (police, politicians, etc).
    • Refuse service to all California state organizations.
    • Do not ship any "Law Enforcement Only" firearms to California (or anywhere else they're considered "LE Only")
     
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    I think you have found the answer, LEAVE! do it quickly. I did over 25 years ago after living in Calif. over 25. I now live less than a mile from where I was born. Never once have I been sorry.
     
  23. harrygunner

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    I've voted for decades in every major California election for candidates of any party who supported small government, individual accountability, support of the whole Constitution, etc.

    California is like a room with three people, two of which are clowns. The rational person's vote never wins over the clowns.

    So, some method other than voting is needed to turn things around.

    Perhaps a boycott will cause Californians to become uncomfortable enough to embarrass legislators into refraining from submitting frivolous legislation.

    Recall how civil rights marches changed behavior of "leaders" who minorities could not vote out of office.

    Things need to change soon. The rational person wants out of the room and the silliness attracts more clowns.
     
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    It's a good idea to ask gun producers to stop selling guns to the armed forces under control of the Commie politicians of California. The Commies shall not have the means to opress Americans. I will personally write one letter each to the big gun producers.
     
  25. Just Jim

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    This is how a socialist government behaves, hope you understand that Obama is a socialist.

    jj
     
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