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California Gun Control - a smashing success

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by The-Fly, Sep 12, 2007.

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  1. The-Fly

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    http://www.ktvu.com/news/14095215/detail.html

    RICHMOND, Calif. -- An outbreak of deadly violence in the San Francisco Bay Area stretched from Richmond to San Jose overnight as a rash of shootings left seven dead and at least eight people wounded.

    The worst violent occurred in Richmond where three were killed and five were wounded in a wave of violence that swept over several Richmond neighborhoods, according to police Lt. Mark Gagan.

    Two of the shootings occurred within 10-minutes of each other at around 8 p.m., Gagan said.

    Meanwhile, two people were killed Tuesday night in a triple shooting in San Jose and two men were found dead in an Oakland double homicide.

    The first Richmond shooting happened around 8:10 p.m. at First Street and Macdonald Avenue in the Iron Triangle neighborhood. Two people were shot, one of them killed, Gagan said.

    Ten minutes later in South Richmond, four people suffered gunshot wounds at 37th Street and Wall Avenue. It is not immediately known if any of those victims died in the shootings.

    Earlier at around 3 p.m., 21-year-old Deondra Holden of Richmond was shot dead behind the wheel of a sports utility vehicle near the intersection of Richmond Parkway and Hensley Avenue in Central Richmond, according to police.

    Officers responding to reports of a shooting in the area of Canal Boulevard and Ohio Avenue found Holden slumped in a SUV with bullet wounds to his upper body. He was pronounced dead at the scene, police said.

    The final shooting occurred earlier Tuesday morning at around 9:45 a.m. in the 300 block of Willard Avenue. One person suffered gunshot wounds but survived, Gagan said.

    It is unknown if any of the shootings were related. No arrests have been made and investigations were ongoing.

    In San Jose, authorities were investigating a Tuesday evening shooting that claimed the lives of two people and sent another victim to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries, according to San Jose police Sgt. Nick Muyo.

    Police responded to reports of gunshots in the 1900 block of Poco Way in San Jose at 8:41 p.m. and located three victims, Muyo said. He said two were pronounced dead at the scene and the other suffered non-life threatening injuries.

    No suspects have been detained and police did not disclose victim information.

    The shooting marked San Jose's 20th homicide case this year.

    In Oakland, two men were shot and killed Tuesday night in a double homicide on Oakland's deadly Bancroft Ave.

    Officers responded to reports of gunfire at around 7:50 p.m. in the 4500 block of Bancroft Avenue, according to a dispatcher. Two men who had suffered gunshot wounds were pronounced dead at the scene.

    The homicides ran Oakland's murder rate to 95 for the year.
     
  2. armoredman

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    Doublespeak will proclaim that the death toll would have been much higher if not for former Mayor Fienslime's gun control, and all of her hard work in Congress stemming the flow of assault weapons into San Fran and Kali altogether. What a hero...
     
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    don't these criminals know that killing people is against the law?
     
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    Speachless...
     
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    that sounds like a war zone. its unbelieveable that there can be that many murders in one area and cover it all in one article, like its so normal to have someone shot to death while sitting at a light, presumably just singing along with the radio and waiting for the light like any one of us would be doing. i hope every one of these murderers suffers a similar fate as they have handed out; to die slowly in the middle of a road as people walk by without caring.
     
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    I'm sure a lot can be attributed to gang activity.

    Incidentally, Oakland is Alameda County, right? Home of gun-banning legislator (and CCW holder) Don Perata? Wonder what HE's going to say about this :barf:
     
  8. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    He'll say the guns are coming from gun shows in Nevada. That's the reason they say gun control in California doesn't work.
     
  9. QuarterBoreGunner

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    Trust me, we can hardly wait until the massive earthquake that's coming causes the San Andreas fault to give way...

    ...and everything EAST of it sinks to the bottom of the ocean.

    Play nice or don't play at all.
     
  10. ArmedBear

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    Note how it doesn't say a THING about who the "people" were who suffered gunshot wounds, or who the 21-year-old driving the SUV was, apart from a name. No mention was made of any possible motive. Seldom are people killed in their cars in broad daylight for no reason whatsoever.

    Given the neighborhoods and the pattern of violence, I'd bet these were gang and drug turf wars.

    "People suffered gunshot wounds" is a strange way to put it, when you think about it, unless nobody had any clue about what happened or why. Somehow, I doubt that's the case.

    No cop in the area had an opinion? Or no cop dared speak his/her mind? Or the reporter didn't want to know.

    That's how you turn a story about a serious social problem, about people involved in a form of organized crime (and sometimes neighborhood-level terrorism, which organized crime has always used) into a story about an anonymous gun. Oh, those evil guns that go around and shoot people.

    Just my reaction to this story.
     
  11. Nolo

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    So basically, twice (7, if I read correctly) as many people were killed in California on that day as Americans were killed in Iraq yesterday (4). That is inexcusable. The government there should be overhauled. If they cannot keep their deadly crime rate to below war-zone levels, then they are doing something wrong.
     
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    What if the unsaid information in the story went like this...

    Instead of:
    Two known members of a San Jose street gang were killed Tuesday by members of a rival gang from across the bay. Two members of that gang were found dead later that day in Oakland. Tagging found over the bodies indicated that the killing was in retaliation for the earlier murders.

    Instead of:
    About 3 in the afternoon, Deondra Holden had just made a delivery of crack cocaine to Central High School in Richmond, and was returning with the money, when witnesses say he was shot by members of a rival gang of crack dealers who claim Central High as their turf. They went through his vehicle, took several bags assumed to be cash, and fled the scene, witnesses said.

    (Except that no witnesses would ever talk, of course.)

    That's probably about how the story REALLY went, give or take some details. The gist is there.
     
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    San Francisco boasts a 48% murder conviction rate

    That means you have a slightly better than even chance of getting away with murder. Jesus wept.
     
  14. ArmedBear

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    Colt, actually, most murderers probably eventually get convicted though, since they're multiple repeat offenders.:p
     
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    For all those that failed geography 101 and plate techtonics 101;). When the San Andreas goes and lops off California, it's only lopping off a small sliver of south-western California.
    Now, while losing all of L.A. will be a good thing, we'd also lose large portions of Riverside and San Diego counties...majority Republican areas with representitives that are largely pro-gun. The crappiest thing is that most of the bay area will still exist.:(
     
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    I say we take the combined CA based THR members plus the calguns people and put them somewhere safer for a while, say, Arizona. For about five years, all expenses paid.

    In the meantime, the USMC goes in and just wrecks everything in the state. Burn it all to the ground. And they leave. We give nature five years to mostly retake it.

    Then we we send the people still in AZ back to CA to start all over again.

    Edit: I'm being facetious and expressing how I can't believe it.
     
  17. ArmedBear

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    You don't need the USMC.

    I think that over the next few years, the overregulated, overtaxed economy of CA might have about the same effect without a shot being fired or a bomb dropped.
     
  18. QuarterBoreGunner

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    And my home, and my mom's home and my dad's. And most of my friend's homes and lives. Quit your whining about how much California sucks. I live here and I love it. If you'd like to see how dedicated we our here to protecting our rights, and for examples of the sheer genius displayed by the Californian gun owner to work within the law, spend some time on www.calguns.net.

    And I would direct you to this post from Oleg:
    "Conduct becoming ladies and gentlemen is expected, without religious, national or other prejudices. That means no slurs on Californians...[snip]"

    Remember, wherever you live has problems too. Clean your own house first.
     
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    Its clear to me. They just need a few more laws. That should do the trick!
     
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    Unbelievably rare for San Jose, but sounds like a typical Sat. night for Oakland and Richmond.

    Richmond CA boasts one of the highest murder rates in the USA, in addition to street gangs selling cocaine/crack/weed; it is also HQ to the Richmond Hell's Angels and was one of the original starting places for our national crystal meth crisis...

    Here's a link to Don Perata's CCW application. If anyone isn't aware, Perata is one of the leading proponents (and greatest hypocrite) of gun control in CA.
    http://www.equalccw.com/donperata.gif
     
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    Isn't it strange there have been no arrests or prosecutions of people for making death threats to Senator Perata?

    Pilgrim
     
  23. QuarterBoreGunner

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    Yeah, that sucked, I met Officer Espinoza once and was impressed with him.
    While I'm in no way defending her, the DA Harris was in a pretty messed up position: She was recently elected and ran on a campaign promise of pledging to never seek the death penalty for cases she presided over.
    Then Issac was killed and everyone (me included) was screaming for the head of the scumbag that killed him on a stick.
    I understand staying true to your intentions and promises (especially if they helped her get elected) but dammit that ****** needs to die.
     
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    "So basically, twice (7, if I read correctly) as many people were killed in California on that day as Americans were killed in Iraq yesterday (4). That is inexcusable."

    Probably because our soldiers in Iraq have the means to defend themselves.
     
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    A promise like that would get a DA elected in San Diego, well, never.
     
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