California gun haters are going to have a field day

[labnoti]

Again, this isn't bullet regulation or even lead regulation, but loaded ammunition. It's completely impractical to regulate bullets or shotgun fodder. What is practical is to regulate hunting which is done in every state. Federal and California's regulation restricting lead ammo are hunting regulations and not bans on lead ammunition or bullets.

Toxic heavy metals or their disposal are also regulated to a certain degree in every state. But it would be hard to connect this to gun control. While wheel weights have gone to steel, quality sources of lead alloys in ingots are widely available in California, and for lead-free ammo, California probably has more CNC machinery than many other states combined. Even so, there is no sign of any regulation on the import of finished bullets.

 

[BlueHeelerFl]

There is no rule that says there must be 50 states. Personally, I am more than willing to carve a few stars off the flag to preserve freedom and union for the rest of us.

They can have their socialism and their per-capita portion of the debt they helped run up.

Just means the ones who are left in the free states will need to pay for a longer wall...

I'm thinking of the old Bugs Bunny cartoon where he cuts FL loose and lets it float away

 

[Labguy47]

it's never gonna happen...never

If there’s one thing that I’ve learned in my 50 years on earth is never say never!

 

[Labguy47]

I will be shocked as well. What makes you think this is even remotely possible?

A president actually broached the subject in his presidential race. I was shocked that it happened. Even if it was Trump that did it. Now if he would have gotten that passed rather than the stupid wall we would be in a safer place.

 

[BlueHeelerFl]

We here in NY are waiting for the other shoe to drop. Dems now control everything and another 4 years of the organized crime king. He's already said in the first 100 days of the new year more gun control is in the top 3 initiatives. I don't see a turn around ever. The younger generation isn't exposed to legit gun use as much as they were a generation ago. All they see are the mass shootings and constant anti gun hype. But they LOVE the violent shooter games. The older pro gun are dying off or moving out of state. Should be a Unhappy New Year with that sob. Sorry. Thats my abbreviation for crying.

I moved out if NYC and NYS back in 2001. I'm glad I missed the Bloomberg and Wilhem eras

 

[labnoti]

This is one more example of "The Big Sort," in which Americans are clustering with like-minded neighbors.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2008/06/19/the-big-sort

In fact, this explains why California is so liberal (and antigun). Conservative people (and pro-gun people) won't go to live there, given a choice, and those who are already there will leave.

This also explains why there are no conservatives -- and few pro-gun people -- remaining in the Democratic party.

If this polarization keeps up, we are headed to civil war, or at least to a breakup of the country.

This concept is very interesting. There are numerous factors that drive the "sorting" from urbanization, jobs and economy, to religious ideals, institutional indoctrination and conflict avoidance. What's for sure is the "sorting" isn't defined by State borders which are very old and have hardly ever moved since their inception. If you look at the "California" of Nevada for example, it's also quite evident the changes are focused not around proximity to Nevada, but around the urban areas. Similar things are happening in places like Boise so that just going to "Idaho" isn't necessarily definitive of one category or another.

I'm a native Californian refugee myself. I fled over 10 years ago to pursue an opportunity to escape the cost of living but I found the benefit of a tremendously better lifestyle. I have no desire to return to the way things are, but I wouldn't hesitate to go back if they were different. What I'm saying is, the things that cannot be changed about California are very attractive. The things that are so offputting can be changed -- not easily, but they can be changed.

I have people in my family that fled a Communist revolution in the country of their birth. Life in that country absolutely sucked for many decades. It still sucks. It could be changed. There are a lot of people hoping it will change. California is really not more than a few decades lost. It may have decades to go before it's redeemed, but it's not impossible. I can't say that I even see any signs of a turnaround and it seems more likely the sorting and polarization will intensify. If it leads to division and conflict I don't think it will be over gun rights in particular. There are bigger issues that affect more people like taxation, healthcare, welfare statism, employment and public education. Civil unrest (like in France) is predictable, but I don't see an escalation to anything like civil war unless the state takes drastic measures against property rights, increases state killings, or there is mass incarceration.

If my postulate that urbanization has been a greater indicator of liberal politics and gun rights restrictions than simply which color the state flag is, why have cities and metropolitan areas almost universally trended left?

 

[Stew0576]

why have cities and metropolitan areas almost universally trended left?

It seems with higher population density people more and more lean twords socialist ideals

 

[Scooter22]

I moved out if NYC and NYS back in 2001. I'm glad I missed the Bloomberg and Wilhem eras

The thing is and I'm just repeating previous info. All but 3 of the upstate counties voted against this crap. Mine, Onondaga is one liberal bastions. The whole REAL upstate is controlled by the big sucking leach of NYC and it's burbs. I wish a separation, as talked about several times, would be put up for vote. Never will be and theres such a big leach population I doubt it would pass. Darn shame. upstate and NYC area are two different worlds. Have a Merry Christmas.

 

[WiTom]

The state is where the gun controls are coming. Then and with time, there will be no place left, to move. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Deanimator]

The state is where the gun controls are coming. Then and with time, there will be no place left, to move. I hope I am wrong.

Sometimes the good guys are outnumbered and have to retreat.

The Marines on Wake Island were heroes. They still lost.

The Jews who fought in the Warsaw Ghetto were heroes. They still lost.

The Jews who left Europe and went to Palestine and the U.S. survived.

Sometimes you need a safe place to organize your resistance.

 

[FROGO207]

I have a friend that was stationed here 30 years ago. He was transferred out and bounced around other posts for his short lived service career. He was one of the party when off duty types and basically ruined his body that way. He came back here from a "retirement" in CA due to the fact he has some friends here, owns CA prohibited firearms, and the social services he depends on were nonexistent there. So now he depends on my tax money to stay here and still party and vote DEM. I fear there are a lot of those type of people scattering to the wind as the "CA ship" slowly slips below the surface of reality. Seriously, I want to help those stranded there that are still fighting for the 2A but it seems that they are in the ever shrinking minority. I see it as trying to bail out your rowboat with a spoon in a monsoon. IMHO standing back and letting that state implode is starting to look better and better as time go by. One of our THR members moved there a few years ago from this area due to better paying jobs for him and his wife. There are some that have so much invested in their careers that they can't afford to leave. I feel for them but it will come down to stay and suffer further restrictions on your 2A rights or flee the insanity! Can't have it both ways.

 

[cheygriz]

The thing that makes me fighting mad is the fact that 90 percent of these people leave Kali, and then try to turn the place that they moved to into another Kali.

Colorado is a perfect example.

 

[Deanimator]

IThere are some that have so much invested in their careers that they can't afford to leave. I feel for them but it will come down to stay and suffer further restrictions on your 2A rights or flee the insanity! Can't have it both ways.

EVERY place I've seen that had repressive, racially invidious gun laws also had a plethora of other psychopathologies. The gun control was a way to forestall violent resistance to them.

 

[Deanimator]

The thing that makes me fighting mad is the fact that 90 percent of these people leave Kali, and then try to turn the place that they moved to into another Kali.

Colorado is a perfect example.

It's hardly unique.

Hondurans and Salvadorans flee gang violence and bring MS13 with them.

Muslims flee sectarian violence and bring ISIS with them.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Take notice that that are laying down a tax on handguns also. That was the anti's main agenda before taking "aim" at so called "assault weapons", to ban handguns. So when you are someone who doesn't care about "assault weapons" because you think your Beretta 92 handgun is safe, or you don't care about the Beretta or Glock because you think your six shooter is safe, or you think they will never go after your .22 well they will get to you sooner or later.

It took my a while to come to this understanding.

 

[Deanimator]

It took my a while to come to this understanding.

"Fuds" who want to ban "assault weapons" are like the "Jewish police" in the Ghettos. No matter how many others they sell out first, eventually their time will come as well.

 

[paulsj]

"Fuds" who want to ban "assault weapons" are like the "Jewish police" in the Ghettos. No matter how many others they sell out first, eventually their time will come as well.

Since we are at this subject let us do better....or worse by stating akeen to being a guard of Eastern European extraction at a Nazi Concentration Camp.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

"Fuds" who want to ban "assault weapons" are like the "Jewish police" in the Ghettos. No matter how many others they sell out first, eventually their time will come as well.

Two things brought me to this point: The last about 8 years of politics, which brought me to a more hardened belief if the 2nd amendment as a last ditch check on government, and David Hogg's bs about "we only want to ban the most dangerous guns." After ARs go away, my Model 12 and/or Model 94 become the "most dangerous guns." At some point, my swiss army knife with more than a 3" blade will be the most dangerous thing.

 

[paulsj]

What happens in California is a litmus test for rest of the country. It will be interesting to see how far they go on gun control issues.

 

[Deanimator]

Since we are at this subject let us do better....or worse by stating akeen to being a guard of Eastern European extraction at a Nazi Concentration Camp.

The last ones on the train still go for the ride.

 

[Deanimator]

At some point, my swiss army knife with more than a 3" blade will be the most dangerous thing.

Then come books...

 

[giggitygiggity]

There is no rule that says there must be 50 states. Personally, I am more than willing to carve a few stars off the flag to preserve freedom and union for the rest of us.

They can have their socialism and their per-capita portion of the debt they helped run up.

Just means the ones who are left in the free states will need to pay for a longer wall...

I agree. Driving across country a few days ago, Ilepth thinking, “there are so many beautiful, rural areas with good people, but the places that Democrats controlled (namely large cities) are ruins. Illinois is one example... lovely farmland through much and the Democrats Chicago is a cesspool of crime and violence. The same thing is true of PA... nice country except for Philly and, to a lesser extent, Pittsburgh, especially since the Pittsburgh mayor is illegally ignoring PA’s preemption.

I say let freedom ring, but if someone breaks the law (essentially depriving another citizen of life, liberty, and/or the pursuit of happiness), then the justice system should crush the offender. Instead, Democrats want to restrict the law-abiding and control every aspect of our lives.

 

[paulsj]

What is found and posted on the net will be next.

 

[BlueHeelerFl]

The thing that makes me fighting mad is the fact that 90 percent of these people leave Kali, and then try to turn the place that they moved to into another Kali.

Colorado is a perfect example.

Then come books...

I'm thinking books will happen sooner than later. A large segment of the left leaning population no longer believes in free speech.

 

[SamT1]

I just wish that we could send all of the Kali-fornicators polluting Oregon, Washington, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah and Idaho back to California land.

Don’t forget Texas!