California Prop 63 questions

[danez71]

I was just looking at Martin B. Retting (long-time giant gun store here) facebook page (for a completely different reason!) and they are showing a "featureless" AR15 stock called Option Zero, which has more information at survivorsystems.com. I watched a couple videos of it in use. It looked effortless. One really nice feature in view of our 10-round mag limit is that you have a spare mag in the stock. Note that being "featureless" you don't have to have a bullet button, it's just a regular mag release. I can't properly describe the grip -- your non-trigger fingers still go around the front but there is a flat thing behind it preventing the hand from encircling it, apparently this makes it not a pistol grip. I don't have a good enough tactile imagination to know how that would work for me without trying it, but all the guys in the videos did fine with it. It comes with interchangeable "length of pull spacers" to be configurable for different size people. I would definitely like to try one once they're available (apparently next month), interested to hear what folks here think.

Those are known as grip fins and are made by a lot of different companies now. Pics https://www.google.com/search?q=gri...w6bRAhXFjlQKHa2fDo8Q_AUICSgC&biw=1366&bih=644

The idea is that it doesn't allow you to wrap your thumb around the grip and thereby should be CA compliant with the definition of a pistol grip including being able to (paraphrasing) wrap your hand around the grip where-as the web of your hand is lower than the top of the trigger.


IMO, it not effortless. Its like trying to grab a soda can with out using your thumb.

IMO, a better option for the AR15's is to covert to a different stock with an Exile Machine converter or go to a different style stock such as from Thordson. (Note, I am in no way affiliated with Exile or Thordson. IMO, they are one of the better options. Also not, Exile has a stock convertor that a CA DOJ agent testified in court that it makes the rifle not fit the fit the definition of having a pistol grip)


I would expect that the rifle makers will start offering featureless AR of their own; hopefully.

 

[Dudedog]

I may be mistaken but as I recall it is 10k primers. Health and safety code,
I will try to dig up the section when I have a chance.

(I may be mistaken here)

 

[old lady new shooter]

Those are known as grip fins and are made by a lot of different companies now. Pics https://www.google.com/search?q=gri...w6bRAhXFjlQKHa2fDo8Q_AUICSgC&biw=1366&bih=644

The idea is that it doesn't allow you to wrap your thumb around the grip and thereby should be CA compliant with the definition of a pistol grip including being able to (paraphrasing) wrap your hand around the grip where-as the web of your hand is lower than the top of the trigger.


IMO, it not effortless. Its like trying to grab a soda can with out using your thumb.

IMO, a better option for the AR15's is to covert to a different stock with an Exile Machine converter or go to a different style stock such as from Thordson. (Note, I am in no way affiliated with Exile or Thordson. IMO, they are one of the better options. Also not, Exile has a stock convertor that a CA DOJ agent testified in court that it makes the rifle not fit the fit the definition of having a pistol grip)

I would expect that the rifle makers will start offering featureless AR of their own; hopefully.

Thanks for your comments.

For me personally, I think if I had a pistol grip I would like something to fill the hollow of my palm, that's what I thought might be missing. However, the one time I tried an AR-15, the one I used did not have a pistol grip at all and I didn't find that a problem; what I thought would have made it easier for me would have been a vertical foregrip, which is also a forbidden feature. How that translates to an "assault weapon" is beyond me, but then so is a lot of stuff CA dreams up.

 

[Jason_W]

I'm a relatively recent transplant to CA as well. I came from less authoritarian states.

Unless the supreme Court overturns prop 63, I think the best course of action on the ammo thing is legal non-compliance hopefully resulting in an unfunded mandate that will thus be unenforceable.

I plan to stock up on enough ammo and reloading supplies to keep me shooting for years without having to buy a purchase permit

If I remember correctly, the new law was to be funded by those purchase permits. If enough of us square ourselves away prior to 2018 and then don't buy the permits, the system will hopefully collapse due to lack of funds.

The whole gun rights battle in California needs a complete change in tactics to something more guerilla in style. Yelling about rights and freedom to the vapid human cattle that make up much of this state's population just isn't going to work.