Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Zoogster, May 21, 2016.
LOL.... care to make a wager on that?
A half dozen pmags (AR 5.56 or GL9 17's) is my standard gun forum wager offer
Very true. I'm a member of a gun club. One of the members sent concise, well-composed emails to everyone on a regular basis to keep them up to speed on the legislation and where to write.
The whining and doomsday crying to his emails was absolutely repulsive. Talk about defeatism! Talk about apathy!
Then Brown did the right thing...
I'm very glad to hear that! CA already has far too many people. Your comments suggest you have no idea about CA though. It's by far the most diverse state in the union. From big cities, to farming and ranching to the High Sierras, to desolate desert to snowy mountains to gorgeous beaches. Some seem to think that CA is one huge city -- they couldn't be more wrong.
I too have no doubt the courts will ultimately prevail. That's one reason why I would NEVER give up my legally owned firearms. What's deemed "illegal" today may well not be tomorrow.
Criminals will NEVER stop using firearms -- no matter what the silly law might demand.
That I doubt.
I believe and hope that you are correct.
And how is California going to prevent people from exiting the state?
What is going to happen to restrict their movement that won't be struck down by the courts?
Maybe I lack imagination but I can't see that happening.
Anyway, enough people don't give a thought to firearms ownership that will stay in that state so that any exodus of gun owners won't bother the politicians --- in fact it may overjoy them.
IF California actually had a decent number of people who cared about their Rights and Liberties, and IF those people left, it would end up helping 'our' cause by reducing the number of votes CA carries in the House of Representatives and their delegate number for POTUS. But I don't believe CA has that many people who care enough about their Rights and Liberties to do anything about these laws, or leave. The current stat of CA pretty soundly supports that, eh?
I've spent 6 months on a project in San Jose, commuting to San Fran 2-3 times a week. Had plenty of time to explore the state.
I also visit LA regularly, having a cousin there.
So I am somewhat acquainted with CA diversity. Which it does have plenty of. And the nature is indeed beautiful and versatile (but so is Michigan and Tennessee and many other states).
Also plenty of extremely shallow, narcissistic, superficial people incapable of development a strong relationship - romantic or friendship - with another person. Perhaps not in the rural CA but hordes of them in the coastal areas.
Plus, lots of illegal aliens... lots of crazies... too many cars... too high rents... too many druggies... too many people that need stronger anti-psychotics... too much of everything not related to nature.
Not saying that other states don't have this, or that everyone there is like that - but the proportion is not in CA favor... just in my humble, personal, very subjective opinion.
Why don't you tell us how you *really* feel... hahaha.
What you say can be true of any densely-populated metropolitan area. The flourish, here, if you will, might be Hollywood and the ostentation displayed by the types that it may attract.
Either way, I feel like a fish out of water here and this is where I grew up (but in semi-rural suburban environs). Where I most definitely feel more at home are small towns where small talk can be easily made, and where folks wave back when a stranger (such as myself) waves hello.
Only wanted to add some perspective to the topic of Californians.
When the earth moves again and the cities go dark every night, the animals will rule. I spent several weeks on a "relief trip" in South Florida after hurricane Andrew. Beside it being completely dark all over, trash piles were 6 feet high in places within 4 weeks. If you were not armed you better be dug in before dark. Even the military which was everywhere stayed inside their perimeter until daylight. Fools don't recognize their foolishness until it's late in the game. Joe
Very important point.
I hear constantly about people carrying around here even though permits aren't issued to regular folks. I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage is close to what it would be if we could get permits. I don't know what the penalty is if they get caught.
Why would ANTI-gun Californians move to Idaho?!
Bingo, exactly like cocaine and heroin are rampant despite being illegal.
Yep, we are overdue for another big earthquake. But having been through several it's not like what happens after a hurricane... yes, you have to turn off the gas for a few days and also have no electricity for that period, and some people's homes completely collapse but that is a small number and you can mitigate against it by having a single-story frame house in a flat area, but anyway the Red Cross etc make shelters in school gyms etc for people who don't have friends or family they can move in with.
My best earthquake story is how after Northridge my kitchen counter was electrified. I put my hand on the counter and got a shock, then being stupid but at the same time a data junkie I started putting my hand down in various places to see if I could identify a pattern as to when I would get a shock and when not, no luck. DWP came out after two days and said they didn't know what was going on, to stay away from it and call an electrician. Blabla when the electrician came he found that inside the wall behind an outlet there were wires that for whatever reason did not have plastic caps, the earthquake had jiggled everything sufficiently that they were now touching each other... The counter was the 50's type formica with metal moldings around the edges and a metal border around the sink... one end of the counter abutted the refrigerator, which was metal, and in the sink the drains were metal... so when I put my hand down such that it was touching both the metal edge molding and the metal sink border, voilà, I closed the circuit.
Given the state of bills to come, people are going to have to make a decision. Either resist and run the risk of being a felon in waiting or get on their knees and be a slave!
The choice is yours, my bet is that at least 99% of CA gun owners will get on their knees.
I feel for Californians, but can't help much. So far as ammunition is concerned drive over to Arizona, breath some free air, and buy all you want.
There's also a choice to move. Which I am considering.
Those are worth less than a cup of coffee to me.
I'll up the ante and call it a $10 gift card to Starbucks.
(PS, It will be the gift card I got last Christmas... I don't like Starbucks. It tastes burnt to me.)
seven more years until I can retire, and move.
It really is. My family lived there for decades and got out and I did in adulthood for a short while and also bailed. There isn't enough money in the world to go back. And it isn't just the insane gun laws, it is the culture, the crippling taxes, the pollution/overcrowding/high cost of living/crime/rampant drug abuse/crazy people/traffic in some places, the difficulty to do anything due to red tape, etc.
True. As I've traveled quite a bit in my younger years, I'd say parts of Northern California has some of the most breath-takingly beautiful country in the world. Sadly, that place is under the mind-meltingly insane laws passed in Sacramento.
I won't answer for Warp, and I don't think it will happen like that, but it wouldn't be completely unprecedented. There was a mandatory buy-back on SKS Sporter rifles back in the 90s.
Probably. Though I'd also imagine more will finally have enough and leave.
Back to this most recent legislation it is another fine example of the futility of these gun laws. The existing Draconian laws didn't stop the wackjobs in San Bernardino and they won't stop the next nutter. And anyone who thinks the gangs are turning in their hardware is living in a fantasy world.
That's because Starbucks (or "Charbucks") roasts the coffee too dark and what you're really tasting is the roast level and not the coffee.
However, it makes it easier for them because coffee changes all year long and maintaining the same flavor profile at a lower roast level is difficult. You have to constantly adjust the blend for the new beans you've purchased which involves a lot of test roasts and cupping the coffee. Along with a lot of expertise by the master roaster and you need a really good coffee tasting crew who can identify the changes that need to be made in the blend to achieve the desired flavor.
If you roast coffee really dark, no one notices changes in the beans and their flavor because the flavor of the coffee itself is being masked by the roast level. It tastes "burnt" because it is...on purpose.
This is my home, my established business that can't just be uprooted is here, my family is here. Yes my home has changed for the worst, it is not as easy as just move.
Obviously a lot of law abiding citizens will become outlaws if some of these rediculous bills pass.
I think PLENTY of people in CA care about their rights/liberties. Guns are a political football however. Politicians corral and drive voters with wedge issues like gun control.
My earliest ancestors arrived in CA in 1769. The latest (other than by birth) in 1952. In both cases I'm deeply grateful for their sacrifices to get to the Golden State. It truly is God's Country.
You'll never understand that with your "...the pollution/overcrowding/high cost of living/crime/rampant drug abuse/crazy people/traffic..." comments. People like you seem to think this VAST state is all LA City and it's not. It shows that you really don't know CA.
Those of us with more deeper roots in CA realize that things go in cycles. We think in generations, not in mere "decades."
Most of CA has breathtaking beauty -- even those forlorn parts that abut NV and AZ.
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