California: some modest proposals for gun control

[Silent Bob]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/foghorn/list-of-proposed-california-gun-control-measures-500-round-max-no-grandfathering-no-detachable-mags-mandatory-license/

Dems in California have just announced some modest gun control issues they plan on pursuing. They include:

1. Reporting and registration of ammo purchases, no more than 500 rounds max held by an owner
2. Licensing of gun owners
3. Mandatory liability insurance for gun owners
4. No grandfathering of mags holding more than 10 rounds
5. No bullet buttons. ARs and AKs currently possessing them will be declared assault weapons and made illegal
6. No hollow point and similar "assault" ammo
7. May restrict shotguns to single-shot versions only
8. No more detachable mags, must be fixed to gun, removable only by tool, possible 6 round mag limit

Fun times ahead for Californians.

 

[sanman513]

:banghead:

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[KTXdm9]

Oh boy. I predict a lot more Californians leaving the state if this crap passes.

 

[Solo]

I am firmly behind these laws, for that is the best way to stab them in the back.

 

[InkEd]

How can you outlaw things already owned by people?

In all seriousness though those laws are ridiculously strict. I guess if I ever want to buy a decent gun in California, I'll have to buy it from a Sureno, Blood, Crip, MS-13 or SWP group.

 

[silicosys4]

Its a shame the people of California have to live with the trial-by-error system of governance which they decided to elect.

 

[Skribs]

How many felons would this bill create overnight?

 

[Grassman]

So are New York and California in a race to have the most ridiculous gun laws? It's time to revolt Californian's, this is insane.

 

[radiotom]

Pretty stupid proposals, but foreseeable for decades. This is who they elect, this is what they get. I feel bad for the people who didn't vote these people in, but it might be time to weigh their options and possibly move out.

 

[c4v3man]

8. No more detachable mags, must be fixed to gun, removable only by tool, possible 6 round mag limit

Guess competitive shooting is about to be illegal in CA. Sell your Olympic biathlon rifle and pick up a non-50bmg 1000 yard rifle, or pick up cowboy action shooting I guess... Oh wait, your pump action Winchester 1897 might be illegal now, so get comfortable competing with a SxS I guess.

And my wife keeps asking me why we can't move to Sacramento...

 

[gspn]

Let me guess...the new rules will be in effect for 5 years, after which all guns must be turned in for Long Bows. Quivers can contain no more than 5 arrows, field tips only (NO BROADHEADS). Bows will phase out in 5 years and be replaced by clubs no longer than 15 inches.

 

[Texan Scott]

So a 550 round brick of HP .22lr would make me guilty of TWO felonies in California?

As a Texan... I can't begin... I don't ... not ... can't even...

What is WRONG with these people? The politicians, the idiots that vote for them, .... why would you live there? HOW does someone live there?

CALIFORNIANS! Cast off your shackles! Rural Texas waits for you! ...
Or Oklahoma. On second thought, give Oklahoma a try. It's ... nice. You'll love it!

 

[Dmath]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/foghorn/list-of-proposed-california-gun-control-measures-500-round-max-no-grandfathering-no-detachable-mags-mandatory-license/

Dems in California have just announced some modest gun control issues they plan on pursuing. They include:

1. Reporting and registration of ammo purchases, no more than 500 rounds max held by an owner
2. Licensing of gun owners
3. Mandatory liability insurance for gun owners
4. No grandfathering of mags holding more than 10 rounds
5. No bullet buttons. ARs and AKs currently possessing them will be declared assault weapons and made illegal
6. No hollow point and similar "assault" ammo
7. May restrict shotguns to single-shot versions only
8. No more detachable mags, must be fixed to gun, removable only by tool, possible 6 round mag limit

Fun times ahead for Californians.

What are bullet buttons?

 

[Solo]

A modified magazine release that requires a separate tool, such as a key or the tip of a bullet, to push so that the weapon cannot be quickly reloaded.

 

[rgwalt]

So what's the story with bullet buttons? Weren't they intended to make dropping the magazine more difficult, thereby making a firearm more difficult to use in a shooting spree? Why do the antis want to outlaw them now?

 

[Solo]

Because you can overcome them with a bit of glue and a cylindrical piece of wood.

 

[Zoogster]

What are bullet buttons?

Bullet buttons are what enable Californian's to legally own most (offlist) firearm models that are otherwise prohibited by the Assault Weapon feature list.
For example a pistol grip and a detachable magazine create an assault weapon, meaning most firearm models that have pistol grips would immediately not be legal to sell in CA. Some firearms come with other types of stocks or grips, but some are almost universally pistol griped firearms (although there is a variety of strange CA adaptions to go that route too.)
A bullet button turns a detachable magazine into a legally fixed magazine, no different than a tubular magazine under the law as defined in the State. Requiring a tool to remove.


They didn't intend to create them or make them legal. They are legal because of how the state defined a detachable magazine.
If you think about it most magazines can be detached at some point. You can disassemble a gun remove the magazine and place in a new magazine. But that is not what they were targeting with the meaning of 'detachable magazine'.
Almost all magazines even internal ones are removable at some point of disassembly. Some require more disassembly than others. So people needed an actual legal definition of what was being refered to.
You may think you know what a detachable magazine is, but thats not good enough under the law, you need to actually define what is restricted because some models of some firearms are going to be unclear. If you can unscrew the tubular magazine is that detachable? If someone designs some odd design, or one that make disassembly easier is that detachable.
So they needed to define it. So they did.
They defined it as something requiring a tool.
A tool was defined as just about anything except the body itself.
Hence a bullet button that requires another object to push a recessed button that no finger could possibly touch qualifies as a firearm requiring a tool to remove the magazine.
That meant all those firearms that come standard with things like pistol grips had the CA market open up again, like AR variants. They just had to have such a device installed.

 

[<*(((><]

California law states you cannot have a detachable mag over 10 rounds, so the mag release on an AR15 is a bolt, not a push button. A bullet button replaces the bolt and one cannot use his/her finger to release the mag, it requires a tool. The law was to prevent one from readily detach the mag, creating one more step of having to get a tool out or bullet to push the "bullet button." It was a workaround that the firearm industry came up with. However, now it looks like they are going to prevent that as well.

 

[Skribs]

They want to outlaw bullet buttons so that you cannot use external magazines.

Might actually work out in the favor of a gunman. How many more stripper clips could he fit into a backpack than he could PMAGs?

 

[BHP FAN]

because they don't think right.

 

[splattergun]

I am completely fed up with Kalipornia, and New York, for that matter.
I have already been boycotting Levi Strauss (haven't put on a pair of Levi's in 26 years) and several other Kalipornia companies for their anti-gun support, now I am giving up on the entire state to the extent possible. I just cancelled my vacation to San Diego. Maybe I'll go to a Gulf state instead.

I know that it is not possible to completely avoid business with the Peoples' Republic and the Gothic Empire, but I do have a good measure of discretion where I spend my hard earned dollars and, where ever possible, I will keep mine away from them.

 

[kwguy]

These idiots do not care about logic. It's like Rorshach in the movie the Watchmen. The world is being run by "An abbatoir full of retarded children". These are our politicians. They are putting our whatever stupid nonsense they can. This whole Newtown thing has become a thing of the past for them, and this monstrosity of proposed legislation has taken on a life of it's own. Do not try to apply logic, for it will not work. If you ask "why" or "how does such and such make sense", you have already lost. There IS no logic or sense in what they are trying to do. All we can do is keep trying to influence OUR politicians to not let this craziness take hold...

 

[rgwalt]

Thanks for the info everyone. It isn't the bullet button itself, but the fact that it is used to transform a removable magazine into a fixed magazine. Banning the bullet button effectively closes the detachable magazine loophole.

 

[BK]

CALIFORNIANS! Cast off your shackles! Rural Texas waits for you! ...

Yeah you had better think twice about that one. Texas is getting closer to 50/50 ratio in national polls. Once it turns blue, there will never again be a president with an (R) beside his name.

 

[Evergreen]

Californians never go to Texas, they always come to Oregon, Idaho and Washington. Half the population of Idaho and Oregon now are ex-Californians. Sadly, not always the good ones. I don't like all the Californians, as many of them are liberal refugees. But I detect that many good and freedom loving Californians will be making there way up to Washington and Oregon.

I just want to give you guys a welcome and sorry if I mistake you for one of those other type of California refugees.

Basically, Oregon got all the liberal California refugees and Idaho got all the conservatives. But I detect that many of the Californians coming here will be on the conservative side with the new measures being implemented.