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California: some modest proposals for gun control

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Silent Bob, Feb 7, 2013.

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  1. jerkface11

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    5. No bullet buttons. ARs and AKs currently possessing them will be declared assault weapons and made illegal
    8. No more detachable mags, must be fixed to gun, removable only by tool, possible 6 round mag limit

    Seems like number 5 and number 8 contradict each other.
     
  2. Lennyjoe

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    Arizona will take some of them conservatives. The liberals can stay in Cali though....;)
     
  3. mljdeckard

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    I never dare scoff, because in CA I honestly don't know, what are the odds of any of this passing?
     
  4. firesky101

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    I had heard the initial bullet button bill was shot down, so I am not sure how likely something much more restrictive will pass. I would not be surprised if this passed, but more and more CA laws are being challenged in court. Hopefully one day we will have our 2A rights restored.
     
  5. runner55

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    Assault ammo? Apparently the only ammo considered safe is the type that doesn't exit the firearm. Next: Assault toothbrushes!
     
  6. DAP90

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    I believe in California the Democrats currently have a supermajority in both houses. It could pass.

    Those proposals are flat out crazy.
     
  7. SunnySlopes

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    Obviously you've never been to Austin. They say you can see Texas from Austin.
     
  8. tomrkba

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    Wow...just...wow!

    500 rounds this week, 400 next week, 100 the week after, 10 by next month.

    I vaguely recall Californians stupidly registering some "assault" weapons, only to have them made illegal a short time later. If they're dumb enough to register, I have little sympathy.

    Mandatory liability insurance for gun owners means gun ownership will be priced out of the reach of the average person and act as a form of registration. This is what NFA 1934 did to machine guns, suppressors and SBR/SBS.

    California gun owners know what they need to do to stop this. I doubt they will be effective. It's really a shame.
     
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    Considering how many Okies went to California during the Dustbowl, it would be something of a homecoming. ;)
     
  10. Voyager

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    I thought KA was already safely pacified with some of the most ridiculously harsh gun control in all of creation, I guess I was wrong, and so too were those of you who thought you could compromise with those liars. Liars who have no intention of ever compromising on their agenda, which has always been abundantly clear as to what it is, except of course to those of you, who always seek compromise.
     
  11. Arkansas Paul

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    On the bright side, there wouldn't be any shortage of them.
     
  12. ApacheCoTodd

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    Yeah, they love their disarming or assaulting buzz-words:
    Reasonable
    Rational
    Sane
    Modest
    Common Sense
    Moderate
    Progressive
    Realistic, etc...

    They use these words to show how (pick the word above and insert here) they are and ad an "un" to the front of the same word to attack anyone not agreeing with their very enlightened position.
     
  13. HankR

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    Well, first you need a list of people that have them. Like, a registration list. Thank Ged all we free Americans have to worry about this time around is closing the gun show loophole. I'm sure that confiscation thing will never happen out here in flyover country </sarcasm>
     
  14. Silent Bob

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    Banning "bullet buttons" will take care of the ARs and AKs for California residents.

    The "no detachable magazine" proposal to me would seem to apply to all new semi-automatic pistols and whatever semi-auto rifles can still be sold in California, and possibly extend to older ones after the NEXT mass murder.
     
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    They limit the number of rounds for a magazine. Want said magazine fixed. Then they want to limit you to the worst defensive round of FMJ. Self defense just went out the window.


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  16. MagnumDweeb

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    The most horrible thing is that the same liberals who voted these people in will flee this utopia for more free lands and bring their disease with them.
     
  17. Garmangabis

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    I haven't been back to California since they banned my .50 BMG.
     
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    I never voted for any of this crud, and very few people I know did. all of this...stuff...gets decided in Sacremento, San Francisco, and L.A....
     
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    What, no repeal of the Castle doctrine, and no requirement to store all firearms in disassembled form inside seven lead coffins with dial combination locks on each, and the ammunition (blanks only) stored separately in a vault at a police substation on the other side of town? Gee, I guess they're not all that serious about saving children after all. :rolleyes:
     
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    All I can say is that The Supreme Court is gonna be very busy for a long time! With all this BS hitting all the states they need to bundle them all together and make 1 definitive ruling that covers everything about what the 2nd Ammendment is and what it does and does not cover. There is way too much tax payer money being wasted on this s**t!
     
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    "Bummer" said no badguy ever.

    Because he will still have his high-cap detachable mags, unregistered firearms and ammo purchases.

    California has really gone to the crapper...
     
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    It's unfortunate for most of the state that the idiots who get elected in california are determined by the lib's in san francisco and los angeles who have the population numbers to overpower the rest of the state. Just glad that I escaped to Arizona.
     
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    I have been a law abiding ca citizen and a responsible gun owner. This is just so extreme I may indeed pack up my bags and head to Texas or Washington.
     
  24. Zoogster

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    That is incorrect and almost backwards. It is over 10 rounds period that is not allowed, except detachable grandfathered magazines.
    The issue is also two seperate laws, one is a magazine ban on magazines not possessed prior to the year 2000, while the other is part of the definition of assault weapon and applies only to fixed magazine firearms, not those with detachable magazines.
    Fixed magazines over 10 rounds (other than tubular rimfire and some exemptions) are always an assault weapon, while grandfathered detachable magazines possessed prior to 2000 in CA are legal.

    The result is if you were to for example put a legal grandfathered detachable 30 round magazine into a firearm that has a bullet button you would be creating an illegal assault weapon. Even though possession and use of the magazine is legal, creating a gun with a fixed magazine over 10 rounds is a felony punishable by 10 years in prison.
    While putting the same magazine in a gun without a bullet button that is otherwise legal is okay because that gun is not compliant via bullet button but via other features. Like an SU-16 or mini 14, m1a, or AR/AK with special non-pistol grip stock modification and no other features.

    This is because the state Assault Weapon definition includes all fixed magazine guns over 10 rounds, and since the whole way bullet buttons make guns otherwise restricted legal is by turning them into fixed magazine firearms not subject to the feature restrictions of detachable magazine firearms, inserting a magazine over 10 rounds is creation of a firearm with a fixed magazine over 10 rounds. All by itself the definition of an unlawful assault weapon with no other feature.
    While the assault weapon definition does not include guns with over 10 round detachable magazines. So inserting a magazine over 10 rounds into a gun that accepts detachable magazines (no tool needed to remove) is legal, and only the magazines are not legal.
    While illegal possession of a magazine greater than 10 rounds is a lesser crime, and harder to prove.
    So ironically inserting a magazine over 10 rounds into a bullet buttoned firearm is actually a much more serious crime than illegal possession and use of a magazine over 30 rounds in an otherwise legal firearm without a bullet button.
    So use of a bullet button actually ups the stakes.

    Many people are unaware of this. I see people at ranges use magazines over 10 rounds in bullet button firearms. Convinced the issue is whether the magazine is legal or not.
    They have no idea they are committing multiple felonies as they swap magazines with thier legally possessed (or illegally possessed that they presume cannot be proven to be from after 2000) magazines.
    On the bright side they probably won't actually get 10 years, just become felons, lose thier firearms, and get probation or be out on parole in no time to make room for criminals they consider more important to actually keep locked up.
     
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  25. gazpacho

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    Woohoo! California chooses over penetration for the win! I can see it now. California bans HP ammo. Then when someone dies because an FMJ over penetrates and hits an innocent behind the badguy, they'll ban FMJ too.

    Those unfortunate suckers will be down to birdshot and muzzle loaders.
     
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