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California: "You take the test: Sample questions for handgun safety certificate"

Discussion in 'Legal' started by cuchulainn, Jan 20, 2003.

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  1. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Member

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    http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/4988577.htm

    From The Mercury News, San Jose

     
  2. Tamara

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    8. Your Constitutional, natural and human rights are being infringed by having to take this test. True or False?
     
  3. cuchulainn

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    Tamara,

    I wouldn't be surprised if California added that to the test someday and took of points if someone answered "true."
     
  4. Cougar

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    I have serious issues with question number two.

    My wife and I have no children. Why in the heck should we have everything in our house 'child-proofed'? No children are in my house unsupervised. Even when little ones are visiting, they are not permitted free reign of our house. They are restricted from even going to the bedroom area of the house. They have absolutely no reason for being there. Off Limits. Is that too hard of a concept for them to understand? Violate that rule even once and you are never invited back into our home.

    My own sister and her spoiled brats are not welcome in our home. She is of the thinking that once she and her brood come through the front door, that my wife and I are responsible for watching their every movement. We are not! We shouldn't have to temporarily remove our displayed breakables just because she can't control her kids. We shouldn't be required to have guards on all unused electrical outlets. We shouldn't have to have child safety latches on our cabinets and cupboards.

    There are real dangers out there in the world. You can't be 100% safe 100% of the time. Get used to that fact. Teach your own kids responsibility. That isn't my job. It is not my place to do so. That is the reason we have the 'save us from our own stupid selves' syndrome that is working its way into making our society into a nation of bliss-ninnies.

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  5. Mustang

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    Those questions are almost identical to the "old" test. Believe it or not there are those who don't pass! Some of these poor human beings wander in to their local gun shops and refuse to look at the handbook thinking they know it all and blow it. (maybe it's not such a bad idea after all? - kidding)

    These are sure to be next:

    9. Are you aware you live in a state controlled by people who will do everything in their power to harrass, intimidate, annoy gun owners into submission? True or False.

    10. Do you know that in this new millennial era with democrats in charge that only outdated, numbskull brutes feel the need to enhance their short-memberdness by posessing a firearm? Yes or No.

    11. Aren't you still mad over Al Gore losing the election in 2000? Yes or No.

    (If not, you are not thinking properly. We humbly suggest you get help at any one of our free county mental health clinics. You will be allowed to the front of the line upon providing proof that you turned in all your firearms to your local law enforcement office. We are here to help. Have a nice day.
     
  6. cslinger

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    Ok, flame suit on.

    Ok, I don't belive in fingerprinting, holding of records etc, but I don't think it is a bad idea to have people answer a few simple questions about the firearm they are buying and or general firearms safety.

    Heck I would rather scrap NICS and all that crap in favor of taking a 10-15 question safety test when I buy a firearm. Maybe have one for all the major types of firearms and have all of them stress some of the safety issues. This would take less time then NICS, I wouldn't have to get my fingers dirty and would most likely actually teach some people something and reinforce those things we should always be aware of.

    I mean think about it, how often do we hammer home to each other to keep our fingers off the trigger, keep the gun in a safe direction and most of all how often do we all expose the fact that we must hold ourselves to a higher standard...hence...

    "It is important for you to be a positive role model by always practicing the basic gun safety rules and displaying a positive safety attitude all the time. True or False?"

    I don't think it should be mandatory to having a trigger lock or locking mechanism on the gun but I think we all must be willing to childproof our firearms through both education and taking the proper precautions in keeping them out of the wrong hands. For me that means the gun is either in my immediate possesion when others are in my home, especially kids or they are secured in a reasonable fashion. When I am not at home my firearms are secured both as a measure of investment protection and protection from some scumbag taking one of my firearms and killing some poor gas station attendent.

    I don't belive in licensing, I don't believe in registration and I don't think NICS has done jack for curbing crime. I don't believe crime can be controlled through laws. I do think we can eliminate a lot of accidents though by forcing everyone to have a basic familiarity with the firearms they purchase and the basic saftey rules that apply. We have all seen somebody throw away the manual, or the new guy or girl who is too proud to ask for advice because they feel they should inherintly know how a firearm works. These are the people I feel are a danger to our sport.

    I say get rid of NICS etc. Put a series of age based laws in place, I.E. nobody under 21 can have a CCW or whatever and allow interstate transfers by private parties as long as they meet the legal age criteria and can pass an online or over the phone or in person 10-20 question test on the firearm they are purchasing and the saftey that must go with it. I personally would not mind doing it every single time I purchase a firearm because not only would it allow me to brush up on the saftey rules that can't be stated enough but it may teach me something that I might not know like...Your new GLOCK has no external safety and has a light trigger. This means you must be extra careful about keeping your finger off the trigger and must use a good stiff holster....TRUE OR FALSE.

    Just my 2 cents. I will curl up into the fetal position and take what is coming to me now.

    Chris
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    Making sure the buyer is competent is a matter of personal responsibility, and should not be a matter of government compulsion.

    The questions given are dripping with gov't agenda, and are not intended for actual safety screening.
     
  8. twoblink

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    True or False,

    Gun safety is 99% thinking, and 1% avoidance of stupidity..

    Things like "Don't stare down a loaded muzzle with your finger on the trigger" I always find, if someone had to tell you that, you lack the common sense to own a firearm..

    Then again, I wonder how many politicians would fail these tests..

    I don't mind the tests actually; but I don't really see criminals taking them anytime soon, do you?
     
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    Another stupid question as NOTHING is FOOLproof. Fools will always find ways to harm themselves and others.

    I'm seriously thinking of writing in Tamara's question on the test the next time I buy a pistol and answering "true." Giving the state a fit would be worth being denied the pistol.:evil:
     
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    I agree with twoblink. Most if not all gun control, in all forms, only hinders law abiding citizens because a criminal is a criminal because he chooses to live outside of the law. A test like this does not seem to really be of much help. And to comment on this test being quicker than NICS, it only takes a quick phone call from my dealer to get me aproved for a gun purchase, which is less than 5 minutes.
     
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    You guys don't know how lucky you are not to live in the PRK. We have even more gun control goodies in the pipeline, this state, (the only one) is run by the democrats lock stock & barrel, pardon the pun...


    Larry :banghead:
     
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    Sample questions

    Here's some questions they should have

    8. "Shall not be infringed" as used in the 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution is simply a recommendation. True or False?

    9. In the 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution, the phase "The right of the people to keep and bear arms" only applies to politicians, police and well connected fat cats. True or False?
     
  13. CatsDieNow

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    This is an interesting question. No choice C and not even in alphabetical order.
     
  14. 10-Ring

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    Before 1/1/03, I met a lot of gun owners say that they weren't going to be buying another in this state. I wonder how true those intentions were?
     
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    California is a great state run by a bunch of clowns and is ruined by a mere square miles of urban wasteland and has made the state unsuitable for living: TRUE or FALSE?
     
  16. GregoryTech

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    However slight, this is an infringement of the right to keep and bear arms. What problem exists that you would support any infringement such as this? Accidental firearms deaths? The CDC recorded 776 accidental firearms deaths for the US for the year in the report released in 2000.

    Do you also support a simple test to help eliminate deaths caused by accidental poisoining (12,000), accidental drowning (3,000), and accidental fires (3,000)? Do you think people should have to take a government test to buy Clorox Bleach, a bathtub, or a book of matches?

    I can understand where you're coming from, but if you look at the actual facts, you find it's not really necessary. Then it simply becomes another way for the anti's to make it more difficult for the law abding to obtain a gun. Which I can not support.

    Link to CDC Stats
     
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    Well, if you can't pass the test, you can always drive down to South Central LA and ask some guys standing on the corner where to buy a handgun locally. I'm sure they can fix you up, and there won't be any silly forms to fill out or waiting period, either.
     
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    I sure miss the old days before Gov't meddled. Only Questions back then asked if your gun was to be mailed to the home or office--this is when you ordered through the mail, and paid COD.
    Tear out order form from back of magazine and a stamp -boom - done deal.

    Being asked if one had enough ammo , but thats a question I can live with.

    Of course most everyone grew up with guns and safety and we didn't sue everybody over every little thing. I mean guns just a way of life like learning to walk.

    Kids, hey we didn't have problems, kids taught firearms and safety just like they were taught no to touch a hot stove--personal responsibility. re-enforced in schools too.

    Now everyone expects everyone to take care of them, or they'll sue. Get the Gov't out of the picture and lets get back to parents raising kids as they should , and turn back the wayback machine to when schools were not 'restricted' and could teach and re-enforce values, morals, more's. We'd be a bunch better off, if the Gov't and sheeple don't like it --they can just leave!
     
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    Chris, these questions and my others are more than rhetorical.

    What do you consider "a lot"?

    Do you really believe that you can legislate responsible behavior?
     
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    IMNSHO The only question that should be asked of a prospective gun buyer is; "Cash, check or charge?"

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    Exactly. If a private business or seller wanted to implement some sort of training or questionaire or wants you to jump up and down on one foot and sing the theme from 'All In The Family', that's their choice.

    Having the gov't, that would be the entity that the 2nd Amendment insures our right to resist if it comes to that, dictate how, who or when people can aquire the means to effect that resistance is a blunder of historic proportions.

    It matters not one whit how 'reasonable' the proposal is. That fact that the gov't will have control over it is the only thing we need to know to make sure it doesn't happen. Ever.

    - Gabe
     
  22. Freedom in theSkies

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    if you need a licence to purchase firearms (in your locale) then if they add some safety questions in that may help you avoid a criminal negligence suit, and save the live of someone who may not know gun safety (kids or goofy friends who don't know any better) then why not...:scrutiny:
     
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    cslinger,
    The issue is that these questions should not be mandatory by the government.
     
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    Doesn't the requirement to pass a test to own a gun discriminate against stupid people? It is basically saying that a dumb person's life is not as valuable as a smart persons because the government sees fit to deny them the right to self-defense. In a perfect world, everyone would be as savvy as us regarding manual-of-arms for every weapon in the world and the Four Rules, but thats not reality. In the real world, dumb folks need to have every bit as much access to protection as the astute.

    Dang, I hate elitism.

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  25. GregoryTech

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    FitS,

    Because there isn't a problem with accidental firearms deaths significant enough to mandate it.

    I'll ask you the same questions. Do you support the idea that you must submit to a simple test before you are allowed to buy Clorox bleach? Or before you are allowed to buy a book of matches or a lighter? Or before you are allowed to buy a bucket or a bathtub?

    Each of the above mentioned items KILL thousand upon thousands more people (children!) each year accidentally than guns do, and none of those things are constitutionally potected. Do you or don't you also support government testing for these other items too?
     
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