JustinJ
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Finding many ARs in stock right now is very unlikely with the renewed gun paranioa. ARs seem to also be going up in price but my LGS still carries 6920s for $980 although i'm sure they are on back order. About a year ago they weren't.
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redneck2
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A few years back, one LGS had HBAR Colts for maybe $799. Don't remember exactly. I do remember that it was significantly less than $1,000.
Another LGS was bought out. They had multiple TC Contenders on hand. I bought three WAY cheap in a package deal. Sold two on Gunbroker for $50 more than I paid for all three. Got one free.
I have a good friend that is a manager at a rather large construction company. All the guys that work there know he has cash on hand and always wants to buy guns. He gets some absolutely screaming deals. He typically buys them for 50% of their going value. Probably averages at least one a month. Thing is, it's cash NOW. No BS, no "I'll get the money later this month". If you take his offer, he peels off the bills.
As noted, typically these are a one time deal. Also as noted, you gotta be there with real live green cash money in hand. And, you gotta get off your butt and look around. It's amazing how motivated a seller gets when he is desperate for money and sees green folding money.
In my 60 years on this earth, I've seen some deals most of you would never believe. So, if you want these kind of deals I'd spend less time staring at the computer screen and more time looking for deals. Call BS all you want, but they're out there. Not everybody that wants to sell is the expert you are.
Another LGS was bought out. They had multiple TC Contenders on hand. I bought three WAY cheap in a package deal. Sold two on Gunbroker for $50 more than I paid for all three. Got one free.
I have a good friend that is a manager at a rather large construction company. All the guys that work there know he has cash on hand and always wants to buy guns. He gets some absolutely screaming deals. He typically buys them for 50% of their going value. Probably averages at least one a month. Thing is, it's cash NOW. No BS, no "I'll get the money later this month". If you take his offer, he peels off the bills.
As noted, typically these are a one time deal. Also as noted, you gotta be there with real live green cash money in hand. And, you gotta get off your butt and look around. It's amazing how motivated a seller gets when he is desperate for money and sees green folding money.
In my 60 years on this earth, I've seen some deals most of you would never believe. So, if you want these kind of deals I'd spend less time staring at the computer screen and more time looking for deals. Call BS all you want, but they're out there. Not everybody that wants to sell is the expert you are.
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ApacheCoTodd
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I certainly see the frustration with the mythology of "readily available" and cheap with regards to highly regarded firearms. I misunderstood the OP and share the limited tolerance for the wasted time of unsupported claims from the internet.
JustinJ
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I don't recall reading often, if ever, the claim that Colts are "readily" available. I've said multiple times that they can be had for under a grand and that is absolutely true. If somebody would rather buy lower quality than be patient then that's their mistake.
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True artists of the Bargain Buy rarely divulge their secrets.
I basically look at it as being bold and decisive, having cash in hand to seal the deal anywhere, and having a golden horseshoe doesn't hurt either.
I basically look at it as being bold and decisive, having cash in hand to seal the deal anywhere, and having a golden horseshoe doesn't hurt either.
browningguy
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Well I think you are being a bit harsh, just because you won't/can't put in the effort to find deals like other people do. Here's one I found a year or two ago at one of my regular stops (pawn shop), I go in every couple of weeks even though it's only once a year or so I find something to buy. But they know my face and I'm always very pleasant with them. A like new (appeared to never have been fired) Browning BDA .380 in hard chrome for $300, cash, no haggle.
It's not a Smith or a Colt, but it's still a pretty decent gun significantly below retail. Not all shops are this way but plenty of the pawn shops will be willing to sell something they have just taken in very reasonbly to turn a quick pofit, I wouldn't be surprised if they only gave the owner $100 for it.
It's not a Smith or a Colt, but it's still a pretty decent gun significantly below retail. Not all shops are this way but plenty of the pawn shops will be willing to sell something they have just taken in very reasonbly to turn a quick pofit, I wouldn't be surprised if they only gave the owner $100 for it.
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Until February, DSG Arms had Colt 6920s for $945. I got free shipping thanks to a coupon code. Do you want to see my receipt? 
They've since gone up to $995, but you need to back order them.
They've since gone up to $995, but you need to back order them.
As someone in the sciences, I can tell you that the scientific process has little use for absolutes. Discoveries are made based on a statistical rejection of evidence of "no difference", not on what someone declares is "absolutely" this or that.
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redneck2
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I have a good friend that was driving down the road and sees what appears to be a really nice 5th wheel camper. Sign says $3,500. He thinks "naw, gotta be $35,000". Drives just a very short while, turns around, and goes to look at it.
Sure enough, at closer look the sign clearly says $3,500. He looks inside. Appears brand new. Elderly lady answers the door. He says "is $3,500 the right price on the trailer?" All indignant she says "yes".
He gives her every dime he has on him and then pulls down the sign. Can't get to the bank too quick.
Turns out the camper had been used once. Her husband died and she just wanted rid of it ASAP.
I worked at an LGS for a while. We gave people 50% of what we thought a gun would sell for.
Sure enough, at closer look the sign clearly says $3,500. He looks inside. Appears brand new. Elderly lady answers the door. He says "is $3,500 the right price on the trailer?" All indignant she says "yes".
He gives her every dime he has on him and then pulls down the sign. Can't get to the bank too quick.
Turns out the camper had been used once. Her husband died and she just wanted rid of it ASAP.
I worked at an LGS for a while. We gave people 50% of what we thought a gun would sell for.
ApacheCoTodd
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On the same weekend I got a 73 Moto Guzzi Eldorado for $350 and a perfect Mossberg 590 with ghost ring sights for $170. Right place right time but I wouldn't go about telling folk it's the norm. That's just crazy talk.
bbuddtec
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For some ppl, the best deal they got is just a few words away... doesn't mean everyone's a liar, just means we shouldn't place such a value on other ppl's "luck"
if it came to nothing, they might not even do it, but I doubt it, some ppl I work with will do it whether or not they get any recognition out of it or not. I guess there's pathologicals out there, listener beware...
PS =There's a lowballer around every turn too... LOL
if it came to nothing, they might not even do it, but I doubt it, some ppl I work with will do it whether or not they get any recognition out of it or not. I guess there's pathologicals out there, listener beware...
PS =There's a lowballer around every turn too... LOL
huntsman
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For some gun buyers the whole search is online, kinda sad but that's all they know.
I always overpay for my guns according to my wife.
shootniron
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http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=6920
The 6920 was available at the above link from fall of 2011 thru about 2 weeks ago for $950.00...and that ain't no "Bull Puckey". Now they are $1050.00...
The 6920 was available at the above link from fall of 2011 thru about 2 weeks ago for $950.00...and that ain't no "Bull Puckey". Now they are $1050.00...
TanklessPro
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I agree, if you want a good deal you have to put your "feet on the street". From my experiences the internet is not a good place for deals. You get fair deals at best. The LGS I frequent can beat buds any day of the week.
Would a good deal be a like new S&W 620 for less than $400 out the door? It's not a 686 but I thought it was a good deal. Cheapest on GB 700+ shipping.
Smokin Gator
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Originally Posted by ApacheCoTodd
"So, instead of getting out there, using your shoe leather and hitting estate sales, gun shows in the first hours (or buying from a fella in line with you), gun shop closings, reading the classifieds (EVERY DAY), auctions and generally going out of your way to make yourself available to the opportunities which others have lucked into... It's easier and more self fulfilling to call others who have been in the right place at the right time, liars"
When someone gets out there going to a bunch of gun shows, estate sales, gun shop closings, auctions and going over the classified adds for hours at a time, spending who knows how many hours and dollars for entry fees and gas and commisions and then finally finds a gun for maybe a couple of hundred dollars cheaper and then fails to include all that time and money spent when bragging about their "savings". That is what some people are referring to on some of these internet boasts. Someone having to put that much effort in to "saving" one or two hundred bucks is not actually getting a great deal. If you happen to fall into a deal right off the bat, that's differnent. Of course people run into great deals. But not all of these deals are actually that great.
I've seen guys who have credit at a shop or trade in a gun on a deal and then they will claim that the amount of cash they paid is the price they got the gun for, conveniently forgetting to include the tradein or the credit they had.
If I find the gun I want at a decent (not fantastic) price, I'm not going to spend months and a couple of hundred dollars searching to not actually save any money. Mark
"So, instead of getting out there, using your shoe leather and hitting estate sales, gun shows in the first hours (or buying from a fella in line with you), gun shop closings, reading the classifieds (EVERY DAY), auctions and generally going out of your way to make yourself available to the opportunities which others have lucked into... It's easier and more self fulfilling to call others who have been in the right place at the right time, liars"
When someone gets out there going to a bunch of gun shows, estate sales, gun shop closings, auctions and going over the classified adds for hours at a time, spending who knows how many hours and dollars for entry fees and gas and commisions and then finally finds a gun for maybe a couple of hundred dollars cheaper and then fails to include all that time and money spent when bragging about their "savings". That is what some people are referring to on some of these internet boasts. Someone having to put that much effort in to "saving" one or two hundred bucks is not actually getting a great deal. If you happen to fall into a deal right off the bat, that's differnent. Of course people run into great deals. But not all of these deals are actually that great.
I've seen guys who have credit at a shop or trade in a gun on a deal and then they will claim that the amount of cash they paid is the price they got the gun for, conveniently forgetting to include the tradein or the credit they had.
If I find the gun I want at a decent (not fantastic) price, I'm not going to spend months and a couple of hundred dollars searching to not actually save any money. Mark
shootniron
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False economy to look the world over to find a "good deal". If I can't find it online with a little looking (as I normally can), I just pay the going rate locally and move on.
It is the internet, collecting thousands of readers per writer. Of couse there are real deals, and people are getting them. Just don't think everyone can get the same deals. Free market, supply and demand. If the internet poster isn't logical, the reader still can be.
I do not have time to find real deals, but when they find me I try to take advantage of them. Typically, though, I have already spent my money on crap from the internet.
I do not have time to find real deals, but when they find me I try to take advantage of them. Typically, though, I have already spent my money on crap from the internet.
redneck2
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It's kinda like The American Pickers show on TV. The reason they find that stuff is that they're willing to dig thru dirty old barns and junk piles to find the good stuff. It usually isn't just laying on a table in a nice clean retail store around the corner waiting on you.
I'm in sales and have an eleven county area that I cover. All of NW Indiana. I stop at gun shops when I'm driving by. If you had to pay for the gas and make a special trip for each visit, it would be way too expensive.
If I see an estate sale, I try to stop. Typically you have to ask if they have any guns. I know a guy that did that all the time. Lady walks into the house and comes out with a pristine older Winchester. $200. Guy snatches it up. She goes in and brings out another for about the same price. In all, he gets over twenty guns, all about 1/3 of what they'd want in the LGS.
I'd been looking for a GOOD set of binos. Couple weeks ago I bought a pair of Leupolds at the Cabelas in Hammond, IN. The eye cup was bad. Originally about $425, I got them for $189. Sent them back to Leupold for repair and got back a brand new updated pair of Leupold Mojave-3 10x50s a few weeks later. I've got a little less than $215 total invested. You can look up the going price, but it's typically in the $450 range.
There is another pair exactly the same right now. They've probably sold a dozen new sets while those have stayed in the case. Any of those buyers could have done the same deal I did. In fact, I've got two friends that like mine and would love a deal like the one I got. When I tell them about the ones there, they just shrug if off. Too much effort I guess. Even when it's right in front of them, they don't jump on it.
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Malachi Leviticus Blue
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There are lots of deals out there to be had on just about everything, even guns. I find a deal on a firearm at 50% or less of retail at least once a week. Sometimes I take it sometimes I don't. I don't think it's reasonable to expect an awesome deal to be easy to find. If it was, obviously someone else can just find it first. Those deals are not going to wait around for you. Great deals go fast, then they are gone. If you don't want to look for them then your probably going to have to pay full price. To each his own, for some of us the Chase is better than the Catch.
Smokin Gator
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"There are lots of deals out there to be had on just about everything, even guns. I find a deal on a firearm at 50% or less of retail at least once a week. Sometimes I take it sometimes I don't. I don't think it's reasonable to expect an awesome deal to be easy to find. If it was, obviously someone else can just find it first. Those deals are not going to wait around for you. Great deals go fast, then they are gone. If you don't want to look for them then your probably going to have to pay full price. To each his own, for some of us the Chase is better than the Catch"
That's fine if someone actually gets that much enjoyment out of the search to find a particular gun at a lower price. It's kind of like someone that finds reloading an enjoyable hobby instead of a chore to save money on ammo. But if the time, effort and costs plus the price of the cheaper gun add up to near the original price of the gun that was easily found, money was not actually saved. Mark
That's fine if someone actually gets that much enjoyment out of the search to find a particular gun at a lower price. It's kind of like someone that finds reloading an enjoyable hobby instead of a chore to save money on ammo. But if the time, effort and costs plus the price of the cheaper gun add up to near the original price of the gun that was easily found, money was not actually saved. Mark
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Went to the lake a few years back, driving to a restaurant and my g.f screams - "stop, that storage unit is having a garage sale" - while driving 50-60 mph looking down a side road, about 75-100 yards from the intersection she noticed a PAPER PLATE with "sale" scribbled on it with a BIC ROLLER BALL pen.
Ended up buying a LNIB rem 788 RIFLE ( not carbine) in 223 from a guy for $75 sans mag because his son had went to prison and couldn't own a gun. Next gun show, fella has a whole stack of factory packaged rem 788 mags-I buy all 8 for $40.
Co-worker had an "old" pistol for sale because of a divorce ( and he had really small hands ) - super clean S&W 1006 with 4 boxes of original Norma loaded ammo and the half full w/brass he fired , he didn't know I'd been looking for months for this exact pistol. $350 then and there.
I bought a remington KS 338 ultramag for $985 ONLINE 2 years ago from a whole sale clearance vendor. I thought the price was a fluke.
Good deals always seem to happen when the sun,moon,stars align.
No other time, everytime I look - nothing, but saying your prayers and living right seems to help
Ended up buying a LNIB rem 788 RIFLE ( not carbine) in 223 from a guy for $75 sans mag because his son had went to prison and couldn't own a gun. Next gun show, fella has a whole stack of factory packaged rem 788 mags-I buy all 8 for $40.
Co-worker had an "old" pistol for sale because of a divorce ( and he had really small hands ) - super clean S&W 1006 with 4 boxes of original Norma loaded ammo and the half full w/brass he fired , he didn't know I'd been looking for months for this exact pistol. $350 then and there.
I bought a remington KS 338 ultramag for $985 ONLINE 2 years ago from a whole sale clearance vendor. I thought the price was a fluke.
Good deals always seem to happen when the sun,moon,stars align.
No other time, everytime I look - nothing, but saying your prayers and living right seems to help
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Yesterday at Walmart they had the Colt 6920 for $1070 ... But I'm sure I saw them a month or so ago for $999
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Add 30 years from today and it will be more like $2,500. (NIB)
Most of the good to NIB almost Colt anything are going to be priced high. I am sad to say that other than my father and I, most of the people in our circles don't want to pay the Colt prices so they go with a non- Colt variant. The problem is that after a while most of them wish they had just saved the extra and just got the Colt model. My father still even to this day wants a Colt "Python" (I am the only one in the family with one) but is just not able to bring himself to pay that price for a used gun. Even though he has said it is worth it, figure that logic.
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