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Campaign against CTD.

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by Kiln, May 6, 2013.

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  1. kwguy

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    That's right. If companies run themselves out of business, then so be it. Graf, Midway, Midsouth, and... Wideners, have been very even keeled through all this. CTD clearly has another way of looking at how it does business. If it doesn't work out for them, then that's just the way it is. But no one is forcing anyone to buy from them. They'll have to answer for their own success or failure.

    Yup, exactly.
     
  2. justice06rr

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    I already boycott them with my wallet. I hope their business goes bankrupt...
     
  3. Kiln

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    Just because you CAN sell something for ridiculous sums of money doesn't mean that you should. There's something called business ethics that some companies adhere to.

    It is their right to do this of course but as a customer, I also have the right to remember how much they're trying to screw people and profit off of the panic while letting the same people who have made them very successful sit with empty guns because of it.

    No I don't think that my missed sales will bankrupt their company. At least if enough people were to boycott them and explain why, they would probably get the point.
     
  4. basicblur

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    As I (and at least one other poster) reported, inflated prices are the least of CTD's problems.

    I have no problem with their inflated prices - I just walk away.

    I DO have a problem with bait and switch, incompetence, and attempting to force a sale on you or shipping without first asking what you want to do in the event there's a problem with your order.
     
  5. alsaqr

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    Bingo!!!

    i cut them off years ago and will never go back.
     
  6. crestoncowboy

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    They have certainly shown that money is more important than the 2a our their customers this time. I have bought from them many times in the past but I too think i'm done with them." And that's the way it is"
     
  7. oneounceload

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    Business is in business to do one thing, and one thing only - make a profit. Want to talk about ethics? Shall we get into GM and Chrysler bailouts? Yet the public is now back buying like crazy after there were calls for boycotts. American shoppers have VERY short memories and zero loyalties when it comes to buying something. IF CTD comes back with lower prices than Graf or others, folks will buy from them, just like before.
    (Now the bait and switch stuff is a different topic entirely)
     
  8. Kiln

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    You know what? You're right.

    Lets say that there's a shortage of insulin and there are lots of diabetic people who would really like to not go into a coma and die.

    I would be irresponsible NOT to buy up all of the available insulin and sell it for 10x it's original value. After all, there is no such thing as ethics I shouldn't feel bad doing this. I understand that this is an extreme scenario and ammunition is not life or death but adhering to your ideals, this would be fine.

    I just think that a company can make a good profit without doing it in such a dirty way. They'd still have huge quarterly profits if they'd just raised their prices by 3-4 bucks per box of ammo and not a dollar per round.
     
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    I stopped buying from CTD when they started selling mostly crap. I've wandered through their store and discovered there was almost nothing there worth buying.
     
  11. basicblur

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    Well I see they credited my for the refused delivery, and did credit my account, but did NOT refund my shipping (referenced in post #16).
    This after being told by TWO operators (second one said she saw the notes from the first one that I WAS to be reimbursed shipping) - guess I'll have to get on the phone to 'em tomorrow to try to straighten this mess out.

    I have a feeling I'm going to end up going through my CC company to get my shipping back?
     
  12. gunnysmith

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    Fueling panic to raise profits is never a good business strategy
     
  13. danez71

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    I get what you're saying..... but....

    What about non-profit businesses? Don't they exist?


    Any ways, there is a thing called business ethics. And like personal ethics, everyone has there own moral compass.



    Bahhh. The govt basically gave them a loan through buying stock. The govt invested money just like anyone else that bought stock.
     
  14. csspecs

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    I see people complaining about prices as a fair free market practice. I've yet to see anyone asking for laws or restrictions to be placed against them. Any campaign is merely a request to prospective buyers to price check.

    There is a restaurant down the road from me that I used to go to all the time. It changed hands a few years ago and the new owner was a self proclaimed capitalist, a "charge as much as you can, give as little as possible, and be proud of it" kinda guy. I walk past their front doors on my way to my new favorite restaurant, and its clear that the business is in a sharp downward spiral, even higher prices to make up for the nearly empty building, bitter service, and a depressing atmosphere.

    The place I go to now is constantly packed, good food, lots of it, reasonable prices... And I notice the tip jar for take out is always getting stuffed as people know they are getting a deal and thank the workers with cash.

    Free market is more then what people are willing to pay, and more how much reputation you trade for extra profit.
     
  15. Kiln

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    Exactly. I'm not asking for anyone to limit the free trade market.

    I'm asking customers who are annoyed by their ridiculously inflated prices in comparison to other similar companies to let CTD know that their business practices are alienating them and other potential buyers.
     
  16. Davek1977

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    I've never had a good reason to do business with them in the first place. They have, or had, nothing I've needed, that I couldn't get elsewhere for cheaper. I guess you can count me in on a boycott insomuch as one can "boycott" someone they've never done business with. They are free to run their company however they choose to, and if their predatory tactics truly affected their bottom line, they'd likely change them. That doesn't seem to be the case, and CTD has a history of capitalizing on tragic scenarios. If they really were driving customers off in droves, no one would have been shopping there after the $70 boxes of .380 fmj rounds they were selling at the height of the LCP buying frenzy.
     
  17. fallout mike

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    I still look at their magazines but will not buy from them. If I see something I want I order it from somewhere else. I like to actually look at paper sales and monthly magazines.
     
  18. Arkansas Paul

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    Their prices aren't the problem in my opinion. Charge what you want. If I think its too high, I'll pass.
    But someone posted here on THR about ordering a few magazines just days before Sandyhook. They received an email saying that they were out of stock and cancelled his order. The next day they raised the price by about 6-7x and they were magically in stock again.
    I don't want to do business with people like that, regardless of pricing.
     
  19. fallout mike

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    Their pmags went from $15ish to $100ish overnight in the instance you are referring to.
     
  20. jrdolall

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    I just don't get it. I have used CTD many times in the past with 100% positive results. I have bought magazines, ammo, assorted supplies and a .22 conversion kit for an AR. Every item I have ever ordered has been shipped promptly at the agreed upon price. I shop carefully to avoid their multiple warehouse shenanigans and the shipping has been as reasonable as other online retailers.

    Of the other companies that have been praised in this thread I have been unable to even find much of anything to buy since the panic began in December. I have not bought anything from CTD since December because I ain't paying those prices. I did get lucky and bought some .22LR from Graf back in December at pre-panic prices. Since then they have not had .22 bulk at any price. Is it better to have some for sale at a high price or be out at a low price? Widener's is currently $100 per crate higher on Russian 5.45x39 than they were a year ago and $80 higher than two other online retailers. Are they gouging? CTD is considerably lower on .22 mag than other retailers as of this week and most of the other guys don't even have any.

    By all means don't use the company if their prices are too high. If the Chevron is $3.49 and the Shell across the street is $3.39 then I am going to voice my displeasure by not buying from that Chevron station. I don't buy from Fresh Market because their prices are too high. I am not saying I approve of CTDs business practices but I guarantee you that most people who are shopping prices online will buy from them if the price is low enough. Walmart is the most hated company in America yet it has been at the top for 25 years. I despise the chain but through all the madness they have been the most consistent with their prices out of all the places I have shopped.
     
  21. basicblur

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    In fairness, I have to give 'em a little credit - they just refunded my shipping for a package which I refused delivery on, but it should never have been shipped in the first place.

    It also took an extra phone call to get the shipping removed.
     
  22. Kiln

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    First of all, I really dislike CTD. I live up the road from them and used to be a regular customer. I still end up there from time to time when somebody from out of town wants to go there.

    With that said, that several of you think CTD has such a bad business strategy is pretty darned funny. Out of business next year? I don't think so. Their store is FILLED with people over the weekend every weekend. I don't doubt that during the week that they due a steady business as well.

    The brick and mortar store is separate from, but related to the mail order store, but they have a combined synergy and benefit from one another.

    CTD is taking their bad business strategy to the bank and have been for years and from the way things look, will continue taking it to the bank for years.
     
  24. Kiln

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    Nobody thinks their individual sale is going to bankrupt CTD. Maybe if enough people complained though and didn't just say "good strategy guys" to them then they would get the point.
     
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    @danez71

    non-profit business is just a tax status. it's still just like a business in about every other regard. they still run it to make money, they just don't call it profits. they call it surplus....and rather than hand it over in profits or dividends....they use it to run the business......just like pretty much every other business. the name is massively misleading, as it sounds like they don't make money, but that is the furthest thing from the truth. remember tax status only pretty much....i'm simplifying it, but your following right?
     
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