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Campus shooting

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Harley Quinn, Apr 16, 2008.

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  1. Harley Quinn

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    FRESNO, Calif. -- A police officer shot and killed a 17-year-old high school student Wednesday after authorities said the teenager clubbed the officer with a baseball bat on the crowded, urban campus.

    The officer fired at the student shortly before noon, after the Roosevelt High School sophomore allegedly came from behind and struck the officer in the head with a wooden baseball bat, Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer said.

    The officer fell down dazed, and reached for the gun in his hip holster, but the clip fell out.

    As the student came at him a second time, the officer grabbed a secondary weapon - a semiautomatic handgun - from his ankle holster and fired one or two rounds, Dyer said. The student reportedly died within a few minutes.

    "The officer was fortunate that he was able to defend himself," the chief said.

    The cause of the attack was not immediately known, and the officer did not know the student, Dyer said. There was no history of prior run-ins between the teen and the officer, who has been assigned to the school by the police department for the last three years, he said.
     
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    ***? Darwin lost that time but I'm betting in the long run he'll get 'im.
     
  4. Harley Quinn

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    Clip or is it clippings that are in a magazine;) Typical error for the uniformed newspaper people:uhoh: Even if the mag fell out you could get a shot off with your Glock mdl 22, but not some of the others that are out there like the S&Ws.
     
  5. Kitchen_Duty

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    "able to defend himself" wow... why would you ever need to do that at a college? insert bang head here: :banghead:
     
  6. TexasRifleman

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    Ya know, there really isn't any more to be said is there.....
     
  7. Seancass

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    officers get to defend themselves. any normal person would have been beaten to death.
     
  8. Kind of Blued

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    Any private citizen with a Concealed Carry Permit with half a brain (presumably all of them, considering the background check) would have done the same thing... Of course, they would be unarmed on the school campus (I believe in CA) and would now be dead.
     
  9. Honu

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    I read this a bit ago and was curious what gun ? why did it fall out ? and was it user error or gun error ?

    for some its reason to carry a BU
     
  10. Robert Hairless

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    Well, yes, but they would have felt safe and so would everyone else. Helping students feel safe is what's important.

    So is closing the gun show loophole, which would have made everyone feel much safer even though the teenage attacker used a baseball bat. The trouble is that there are too many guns, which is why the attacker found it easy to get a baseball bat and the police officer survived only because he had two guns.

    Don't mind me. I'm practicing to be the next President of the United States or at least a state legislator in California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, or some other country.
     
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    wow, thats all i have to say.
     
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    dupe
     
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    Can't help myself - have to reply. First, what is this about the clip (magazine) falling out? As posted above, was this "operator error", or a weapon malfunction? Be useful to know just what really happened (written by a gun knowledgeable person, for a change)? And the "saving factor" - a simple backup weapon. I am a revolver guy ("clips" don't ever fall out!), and I cannot carry a backup (New York reload), by NM law (THAT sucks!). A smallesh event (not dozens executed), except for the attacker, but much to think about. How about a 5 day waiting period for baseball bats, and a less than lethal length limit? Sorry for the sarcasm in a lethal encounter, but a baseball bat is every bit as lethal as a Glock, you just have to be a bit closer.
    sailortoo
     
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    who knows why his mag fell out, maybe it was a malfunction or user error -- but i think it's a bit much to suggest via innuendo that the cop was inept because of it (darwin, etc). the article started out "...after the Roosevelt High School sophomore allegedly came from behind and struck the officer in the head with a wooden baseball bat..."

    i don't want to know how uncoordinated or incapacitated i'd be after being the recipient of such a blow, but from the information so far it seems that in the end i think we can all agree that the good guys won this time.
     
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    any chance for a link to the story? I think I could actually use this as a referance in some of my interviews
     
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    17 years old, six-foot-two, 200 pounds. If that kid hit me with a baseball bat, I'd be dead, or stunned beyond the capacity to react. Just a guess, but I bet the impact knocked the police officer sideways, and he landed on the gun, mashing the mag release.

    The kid was home-schooled until January......I guess he shoulda stayed at home. "Does not play well with others............"

    PJ
     
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    I only hope that if I was in the same situation after being hit in the head with a bat by a guy that big I would ...

    A) not be knocked unconscious and then be beaten to death.

    B) be able to act fast n draw my firearm to defend myself.

    C) be able to act fast after my primary failed and switch to my bug, and stop the threat.

    D) have a bug on me.

    C) live in a world where college students/staff are able to defend themselves in the first place.

    A failure is a failure anyway you slice it, so as far as I am concerned I could care less why or how his mag fell out. It's a good thing this man was prepared.
     
  19. Honu

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    my reasons for wanting to know why and I hope he is OK and speedy recovery

    is to LEARN !

    I would not blame him as I say human error could be his grip is messed up since he got hit so hard or if he did fall on the gun and it released ? would be curious to know what gun what holster etc.. as a fall should not pop the mag loose ! but things happen

    was he so dazed he hit the mag release thinking it was the safety ? again not blaming just purely curious
    one reason I do like the glocks for carry is the quick no thinking put the finger in pull the trigger

    again many people might be curious as to why to hope to not have something happen like this again

    also this is not about the punk who hit him from behind and purely taking the malfunction of the gun out of the incident to investigate it more (at least my reasons are this)
     
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    YEah sure thing I see what you are saying, I'm just saying... What I take away from this article is failures happen and you better have a backup plan.

    He prob did just fall all crazy and mash the gun somehow though. Who knows, I'm sure he doesnt even understand how it happend.
     
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    "The officer was fortunate that he was able to defend himself," the chief said
    I wonder when the other chiefs around the country will figure out "able to defend" would be a good thing for the students as well...
     
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    I would probably be correct in stating the kid was after the weapon on the cops hip to do further damage to others. Now when does everyone on campus get to defend themselves with a weapon.
     
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    Like the article said, he probably went for his firearm and accidentally hit the mag release.
     
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    Lessons learned:

    1. Magazine disconnects will get you killed.
    2. Carry a back up pistol.
    3. Self-defense is not a myth.
     
  25. TX1911fan

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    This was at a high school campus, not a college campus. Not that it matters . . .
     
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