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Can anyone say with conviction that a shotgun is the ultimate home defense tool?

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Justaman, Sep 19, 2006.

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  1. Justaman

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    Currently I use an XD9 for home defense, but in the back of my mind I see a 12 gauge as being superior for this purpose. Perhaps with more training I will go with a pump.
     
  2. Waywatcher

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    No conviction here, nor can I say I know the ultimate.

    Why not a good semi-auto shotgun?

    12 guages are light years ahead of any service pistol in terms of power. They will typically deliver in the vicinity of 400 grains of lead in excess of 1300 fps. (e.g. Slugs out of an 18" barrel are 438 grains and doing 1440 fps)

    They really dont stick out away from your body any further than a properly held pistol either.

    I would definitely pick my shotgun up before my pistols. Pistols excel at being with you when you need them, but when you're home grab something more powerful.
     
  3. Run&Shoot

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    No question. You need both a pistol and shotgun, but if you have time to get to your shotgun it is no contest as to which is better for HD.

    What if a pit bull or other large, heavy muscled dog was ripping a neighbor kid, or your kid, apart across the street? You want to go into the fray with a 9mm or a 12 ga. with buckshot and slugs? What if there were riots in you area for any of a number of reasons? You want to face down a crowd with just the 9mm or a shotgun full of buck and you XD on your hip? What if a couple of thugs break into your home at night and you hear them charging around and about to come upstairs? What do you want in your hands waiting for them? 124 gr hollowpoints (about 1/4 to 1/3 ounce) of .355 caliber, or 1 1/4 ounce of buck and 1 oz slugs of .70 caliber?
     
  4. Dave McCracken

    Dave McCracken Moderator In Memoriam

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    Yes, for a shotgunner. Awesome power, superb reliability.

    If a 1/3 oz slug .357" in diameter is good, an oz slug at .73" is better....

    And at typical HD ranges, effect of large shot duplicates a slug.

    Of course, it's easier to buy the hardware than acquire the software. BA/UU/R....
     
  5. LeonCarr

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    Inside of a house, the shotgun is the ultimate home defense tool. A good pump shotgun (Used Remington 870, Mossberg 500, Winchester 1300, etc) can be found used or new for less money than the average handgun, and is much more effective and versatile.

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  6. rustymaggot

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    ultimate is a word that can always be one upped. and then things get so big they start going back down the scale because of their awkwardness. a 8 gauge shotgun might be better than a 12 gauge but recoil would render it worse than a 12 gauge for some people. all things are a trade off.

    so, if you ask me, the ultimate hd tool is thinking ahread. install rose bushes under the windows to keep people from sneaking in, have a dog that yaps when strangers get inside the fence. enough forethought and you will likely never need the shotgun.
     
  7. knoxx45

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    Not me...

    Personally, I feel that the AR15 is the best HD weapon. I think that most people have some backwards idea of home defense in their head. If I was storming someone else’s house (as in executing a high risk arrest warrant) then I would want a shotgun. I think that for clearing room to room a short barreled shottie is the best choice, but for defense, give me an AR.
    Here is why. I will not, repeat not, be clearing rooms in my own house. That is what I pay taxes for; so that the police can do it. What I will do is lock the bedroom door, arm myself and the wife with our AR’s and extra mags, and get behind cover and wait. If I have time, I will barricade the door with a dresser or the blanket chest. The way I see it is that I have an alarm and two German Shepherds. I think that I will know if someone is trying to break into my home.
    The AR also has the advantage of holding more rounds, is easier and faster to reload, and most importantly in a HD situation, IMHO, provides a greater and more sustainable volume of fire. Should push come to shove, and for whatever reason, a home invader is determined to get to us, the wife can pour fire in the general direction while I take aimed shots.
    Also, in a true SHTF situation, we can take accurate shots a couple of hundred yards away, unlike a shottie who’s max effective range, even with slugs, is a fraction of that.

    For HD take two AR’s and call me in the morning.

    Just my thoughts…

    Knoxx
     
  8. Marshall

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    A short barreled shotgun with appropriate ammo is unequivically the best home defense firearm available. Back it up with a handgun and you're in business.
     
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  9. Fred Fuller

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    I can say that it is definitely the preferred HD tool for me- given time to get to it. I cannot however put a shotgun in my pocket or waistband, as I do with a handgun (yes, even at home) and keep it there whenever I am awake and dressed.

    Ultimate? Just as there is no "best," there is no "ultimate" imho. There are different people with different skillsets in different houses in different situations, and words like best or ultimate are just too sweeping as generalizations to apply. For me a shotgun is the go-to defensive weapon of choice, because I know what it will do and I know what I can do with it. That's under 'home defense' circumstances, if I have to defend myself against a rifleman 150 meters away, then there's a loaded AR-15 that lives outside the gunsafe also. But there's always a handgun on my person when it's legal. And I try not to go places it isn't legal.

    lpl/nc
     
  10. Thin Black Line

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    Short of holding the weapon against the dog's head (if it would stay still)
    I wouldn't take a shot if it was rending the kid back and forth.

    However, a poke from the bayonet mounted on my M590 might help it to
    disengage from the little tike and allow for a clear shot :D
     
  11. knoxx45

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    Oh yea...

    I forgot, if the perps are wearing body armor of any sort, the 223 will punch through it. Buckshot or slugs will not. And any criminal with more than two brain cells these days can buy a bullet proof vest, even though they wouldn’t wear it while committing a felony, because that’s against the law.:D
     
  12. PJR

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    I don't think you can make a blanket statement about a shotgun being the ultimate home defense tool. It depends on the owner, the house and where the house is located.

    For a slightly built woman who has little experience and can't manage recoil a Ruger 10/22 with a reliable large capacity magazine filled with CCI Stingers might be preferable.

    An AR-15 would be a good choice in a rural area but maybe not in a subdivision. I'd shy away from a full rifle caliber because firing one indoors would be harder on the ears than a shotgun.

    Another choice and one that I've considered is a short lever action rifle in a pistol round, probably .357/.38. With .38 SPL the rifle is relatively quiet, provides good velocity from the longer barrel and can have 10 rounds or more on tap.

    In the meantime I'll stick with my 870.
     
  13. rustymaggot

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    yeah, but even with armor a 12 gauge slug will put a hurtin on em. and when they are catching their breath you hit em again. and again. and again. till they fall down. and if they move after that hit em again. till they quit reaching for stuff.
     
  14. Handgun Midas

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    Close to buying a 870

    I'm toying with the idea of buying a dual pistol grip 870 for HD, but my home is an apartment.
    What kind of loads should I use to provide effective stopping power, without dangerous overpenetration?
    Realistically, is the danger of overpenetration about the same s the 230gr JHPs I'm currently sporting in my .45?

    I'm concerned about causing massive damage to my own apartment qand property, as well as blowing a hole into my neigbor's bedroom.
    Is a shotgun less ideal for apartment defense?

    What about less-lethal loads for the 870? Anybody fool with bean bags?
     
  15. Biker

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    A SG is a great HD tool. That said, I'd rather grab my Bushmaster for various reasons, many of which have already been mentioned, but I'll likely grab my 870 because having fired both the 5.56 and 12G BS loads indoors without hearing protection, the SG blast is much less disorienting than the blast of the 5.56.
    IMO, the difference was that significant.
    Give me hearing protection and I'll take the Bushmaster, without, my 870.

    Biker
     
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    With a shotgun they better have a bullet proof face to go with that. :neener:
     
  17. enfield

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    Nope, not me.
     
  18. Correia

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    Please, there is only one ULTIMATE SHOTGUN!!!!!

    (old school posters know the one I'm talking about).

    And you load it with ULTIMATE BUCKSHOT!!!!

    :)

    Oh, those were some interesting threads.
     
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    Crime is picking up in my area, a house near me got hit Sunday night/Monday morning. I'll let you know in a few days when the thugs make it my way. I'm hoping my 870 will do the job.
     
  20. B.D. Turner

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    My choice for HD shotgun is a Beretta 1200 FP semi auto. I can fire it single handed if need be over and over and over. This is important if I have to grab or hold one of my kids to get them to safety. I like pumps too but would rather have the auto. I would grab the shotgun over the AR. AR holds 30 rounds. Shotgun holds 7 rounds of 00 buck which equals to 63 .32 caliber bullets. The Beretta will dump the last shell before the first empty hits the floor something an AR cannot do.
     
  21. torpid

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    I would imagine that two pistol gripped 12 gauge shotguns (one Mossberg 500 with 00 buck, one Remington 870 with a slug) held in leg scabbards while laying on one's back and pressing one's boots against the middle of the door to the room you are defending would, if fired simultaneously with legs braced firmly, be considered...

    Oh, nevermind.

    .
     
  22. CSA 357

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    mod 12 winchester loaded with 7 # 4 buck shot you do the math, i think its better than a m 16 in a home defense situation, put some 1 oz slugs if you need more, *csa*:D
     
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    Torpid,

    LOL. :D
     
  24. nitesite

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    Well, I cannot make such a blanket statement about the shotgun. Or the rifle for that matter.

    That's why when I am home there is an 8+1 Mossberg 590 and a Bushmaster AR-15 and a Ruger 77 Mk II .243 all loaded (with empty chambers) in my open safe. Oh yeah, a Yugo SKS with Cor-Bon soft points, as well. :cool:

    I might have an animal control issue in my yard. I might have a car full of meth-heads show up in my driveway with questionable intent. I might have another coyote lurking 150-yards from my front door. I might have someone attempting to steal a tractor or equipment from the hay barn 75-yards away. And I may actually have a home intruder ("say hello to meester Glock 29 ")

    I feel like I've covered most of my bases as far as equipment/hardware goes. And I train/practice a good deal because I can shoot on my own property. And shoot lots of drills both at home and at the range.

    My greatest danger may just be a moment of indecision... :uhoh:
     
  25. XavierBreath

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    I am a believer in a 12 gauge shotgun for home defense. I keep one at several strategic locations in my home, loaded with 00 low recoil buckshot. Shotguns are cheap, effective, and probably the best home defense tool for my situation. Compared to a pistol, I believe the shotgun to be definitely superior.

    The one factor that cannot be overlooked is having a plan. Whether you choose a rifle, shotgun, or handgun to defend your home, you should have a plan. You can have the home turf advantage if you will simply prepare ahead of time with a plan of action. Criminals are not successful because they are smarter than their victims. Most criminals are not Mensa candidates. They are society's failures. They are successful at crime, however, because they had a plan, and their victims did not.

    I started to say a grenade would trump a shotgun. Honestly though, if I were a home invader, I think I would rather take my chances with a grenade than a shotgun. Maybe if I trained twenty pet chimpanzees as ninjas.........
     
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