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Can bullet design go any further?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by P95Carry, Aug 27, 2004.

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  1. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

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    We have a miriad selection of defence ammo to choose from .... plethora of JHP's ..... frangibles ... solid copper ..... PowRball ... etc.

    Any possibilities remaining? I cannot think of any right now - well, that are ''legal''!:p I don't think depleted Uranium is on the cards. :rolleyes:

    How many ''explosive'' bullets have there been made - in small calibers of course?
     
  2. nico

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    you never know. Maybe soon somebody will decide that there are better metals to use than lead (tungsten maybe) or better shapes for the lead core of a copper jacketed bullet. Actually, I would think using tungsten instead of lead would make for deeper-penetrating bullets (maybe for DG hunting?)
     
  3. Delmar

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    I think speer already employs a tungsten core in their DG solids. Wouldn't want the tungsten itself engaging the rifling-a couple of shots and you own a smoothbore!
     
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    I think absolutely they will come up with better performing stuff. Just like hydra-shok was perhaps one of the best rounds available 10 to 12 years ago but has been surpassed by better performing stuff, the same thing will happen with our current rounds. They'll figure out better performing designs and better alloys, superexpanding rounds etc....

    brad cook
     
  5. ZeroX

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    I envision a future when bullets fire a smaller bullet upon impact....coated in cyanide.
     
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    I still have some explosive bullets in 9mm, .45 ACP & .38 Special that came out in the late '70s. I'm not sure how effective they ever were -- thankfully never had to use them. Today, they're probably worth a lot more as collector's items than as duty ammo.

    I also recall Herters, Inc. selling "wasp waist" bullets around the mid- to late '60s. The theory was that the lessened bore contact (front and rear of bearing surfaces) increased velocity, and that the shape itself was inherently more stable. Didn't see any of the major manufacturers jumping on the bandwagon. :rolleyes:

    The PowrBall just goes to show that not every possible design has been explored.
     
  7. Jim March

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    Cross the Speer Gold Dot with it's jacket thin yet firmly stuck to the lead, with the Cor-Bon Pow'R'Ball "rubber ball in the nose" concept. Oh ya. A Pow'R'Ball that can't shed it's jacket :D.
     
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    It's not a case of what is needed. It's a case of the human need to experiment.
     
  9. Clean97GTI

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    to be honest, I see higher velocity projectiles of increasing size. Right now, the 5.56mm is a high velocity yet devastating (when used correctly) round. It has shown its ability to wound time and time again.

    I think well see the projectiles grow larger and maybe a way to accelerate them after leaving the barrel. The bullets get bigger but they also go a lot faster. Its a great way to damage an enemy from a distance as well as up close.
     
  10. NukemJim

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    From what I understand there are two types of tungsten cored ammo.

    The first was the KTW round. The KTW round was made using tungsten due to the hardness of tungsten. It was made in handgun calibres (Do not know if there were rifle calibers or not) It was made to pierce soft body armour. It was only sold to police/goverment. ( IIRC it was developed by a police officer) This is where the myth of the teflon coated bullet started. In order to reduce wear on the barrell some of the bullets were coated in Teflon. The Teflon was only present to reduce wear. It did
    nothing to enhance penetration. This type of ammo is illegal in most states and I believe federally as well.

    Second type is currently being sold and uses tungsten for it's high density. The tungsten is powdered and mixed to form the core, so although it is heavy it does not have the same armour penatration capabilities.

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    Whether it be changes in material, design, or manufacturing technique, there's always room for improvement. I think an intelligent dual-density rifle round that can defeat soft armor and then completely fragment would be the bees knees.
     
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    Well, for readers of John Ringo's science fiction, I kinda like the idea of a bullet containing a small charge of anti-matter...

    :what: :evil: :D
     
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    Seems to me you could mix the technologies a little, like putting a small, sharp double-cone shaped dot of tungsten on the tip of something like a gold dot or a hydrashock..... the tungsten tip would penetrate the armor and start to expand the rest of the round, which is already past the armor layer by that time...

    That'd probably work much better in a rifle round though :)
     
  14. Majic

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    How about heat seeking bullets? :evil:
     
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    Sounds like you want....(drum roll) Black Rhino ammunition.

    Pilgrim :D
     
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    What about the "caseless ammo"?

    Or perhaps "gun cleaning" ammo?:D :D :D :D :D
     
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    well damn, there goes my patent. :)

    A while ago someone posted a video from the shootout at blackwater. There, they had some new bullet (I think they called it "bonded metal") that would penetrate up to 1" of steel but would fragment into dust upon hitting a soft target (like drywall or tissue). The video showed the bullet entering a pot roast and leaving the expected wound channel and everything, but nothing came out the other side. They also showed it shooting through a metal plate. I think the idea was that two types of metal were used to make the bullet and when they were heated enough (caused by friction of passing through a soft target) the bullet would essentially go through it's manufacturing process backwards. Armor and other hard targets don't generate enough friction to heat the round enough, so it goes through it.
     
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    Phased plasma rifle over 40 watt range for me.
     
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    Double bingo!
     
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    Light gas guns.Shoot a similar projectile as available now @ 10x the speed.
     
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    problem w/ a lt gas gun using like hydrogen is throwing a 30 gr. slug at roughly 26,460 fps. the recoil would be absurd.

    atek3
     
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    Atek3?Who's to say that a bullet of say 1 grn or less @ 30,000 fps wouldn't work.I don't know enough about them to say for sure but,hey,anythings possible right?;)
     
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    heck ... all but one foot ton energy!! I wonder how much velocity would decay with something so light with regard to density of air and thus drag. Mind you - BC would probably be most advantageous.

    Over penetration (close range) comes to mind as a problem!!!:p
     
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    gotta love the sci fi staple - the "gauss needler."
     
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    Technology will almost always provide an answer to an actual or a prceived need. That will keep new designs coming out. Perceived need powers marketing which will come up with something new just to keep sales up.

    Most of the bullet designs available have been tried in the past. many were sucessful but not marketed well, most forgotten after the novelty wore off.
    I have a couple of those Herters "Wasp Waist Sonic Bullets". I think they were designed areound the "Area Rule" for drag, great idea just that you really can't detect the advantages within normal ranges, just like boat tail bullets.


    Sam
     
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