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Can I carry a Sig cocked?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by JessPeyton, Dec 19, 2008.

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  1. JessPeyton

    JessPeyton Member

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    A friend has been preparing to purchase a concealed carry handgun. While he really likes the Sig 228, he prefers SA over DA/SA.

    He is wondering if carrying a cocked DA/SA Sig with a round chambered would be as safe as carrying a M&P or a Glock with a round chambered. I'm pretty sure all three guns have both drop and firing pin safeties. Since he is getting a high quality holster, he isn't concerned with the light trigger pull, which is really pretty similar for these three guns (4.4, 6.5 and 5.5 lbs. respectively).

    If you would carry a M&P with a round chambered, would you feel safe carrying a cocked Sig with a round chambered? If not, can you explain why?

    Thank you.

    :)
     
  2. Steve in PA

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    Do NOT carry like that.

    Tell him to learn how to shoot a DA/SA pistol, or buy the Glock or M&P.
     
  3. Prince Yamato

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    That's a disaster waiting to happen. You have like a .25 lb trigger pull.
     
  4. Marcus L.

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    Steve has it right. It would be very unwise for him to carry a DA/SA Sig in a SA condition with no manual safety. It only takes a slight pressure in order to trip the trigger on a SA trigger. The M&P and Glock are not true single actions in that they have a trigger safety.

    Shooting with a DA trigger is not a problem provided that you practice a little with it. I had to go to a police academy before I could appreciate the DA trigger and the safety if offers. A good training exercise is to balance a coin on the front sight of his P228. He should be able to maintain a steady sight picture and pull the DA trigger a good 15 times before the coin falls off. If he does that drill on occasion his skill with the DA trigger will greatly improve and he won't mind it at all. I am just as accurate and consistant firing my Sigs in DA mode as I am shooting in SA. The SA mode does give me a speed advantage though. Also, the newer Sigs have a more consistant and smooth DA trigger than the older pistols like the P228. Perhaps he would feel differently if he was looking at a newer Sig.
     
  5. evan price

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    The Sig is designed to be carried chambered and decocked. No need to cock before firing.
     
  6. rcmodel

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    The SIG safety system depends on the trigger return getting the firing pin block re-set before the hammer gets there.

    Even if carried in a quality holster, there is no way of knowing if that can happen inside the holster or not, as you can't trip the trigger to find out.

    There is also nothing prevent an ND while holstering with it cocked. If a holster strap or clothing pulls the trigger it will also hold it back long enough to defeat the firing pin safety system.

    In addition, the cocked hammer & sear would very likely be damaged where it impacted by anything, like a car door, or slip on the ice.

    Bad idea, all the way around!
    Don't do it!

    That's why they have the double-action trigger and most excellent de-cocker system!

    If your friend feels so inept that he has to carry a cocked SIG, he needs to spend more time at the range learning to shoot it DA.
    Or get a 1911 with a thumb safety.

    rcmodel
     
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  7. PO2Hammer

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    No, absolutely not.
     
  8. gglass

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    Tell him to get an M&P... End of story... No issue.
     
  9. The Bushmaster

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    Shades of Paxico...
     
  10. Jason M

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    No, no, no no. Never.

    The DA/SA action is designed to be carried in the DA mode, then subsequent shots are SA for quicker and more accurate follow-ups. DA/SA is one of the single BEST configurations in pistol design ever for carry as a duty piece or concealed.

    1911 and other SAO pistols have manul thumb safeties, the Sig DA/SA does not.

    If he feels he can't defend himself properly with a DA trigger pull, then he needs some more training.
     
  11. hankdatank1362

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    No.

    Not only no, but hell no. Terrible idea.

    Whenever I reholster mine, I make sure to press down on the hammer with my thumb, just in case something catches on the trigger. And that's in DA.

    A stiff fart could cause an ND in SA. That's like asking if anyone carries a 1911 chambered, cocked and safety off. (I forget what condition that is.)

    Of course, you'll probably be okay if it happens by accident (cocking the SIG of bumpiing the thumb safety off your 1911), and your gun is in a good holster, but it's not a good idea to do on purpose.

    But hey, if he's sold on the idea, tell him to cut away the triggerguard too, and he'll have a modern-day Fitz sepcial SIG.:banghead:
     
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    Yiii.... the very thought makes me a little queasy.

    The 228 DA/SA setup is awesome; just *train* with it.

    My drills are often 'Draw DA SA SA decock'; repeat.
     
  14. The Lone Haranguer

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    There are SAO SIGs available. I would love to have a P220 with this action. Otherwise, carry and shoot it the way it was designed and intended to be, or find something else. (Actually, this is what I did, never achieving the accuracy I wished with that long DA trigger.)
     
  15. JessPeyton

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    Thanks to everyone for the responses. I didn't expect so many. The opinions seem to be unanimous. :)

    rcmodel, your explanation of the Sig's safety system was particularly helpful.
     
  16. Weedmonk

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    Not only is it a terrible idea...IMO, it doesn't sound like your friend has sufficient knowledge to carry a concealed firearm.
     
  17. brett30030

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    One guess, your "friend" is named Jess Peyton:neener:

    Better to ask a silly question than make a stupid mistake. RC is dead on right. Good luck with your purchase.
     
  18. JessPeyton

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    Good one! :D Actually, I've carried a service XD9 for a while now and am very happy with it.
     
  19. JessPeyton

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    By the way who is "Paxico"?
     
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    Here's a link -

    Plaxico Burress accident

    Giants receiver who accidentally shot himself in the leg.
     
  21. KBintheSLC

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    With Sig DA/SA pistols you keep a round in the chamber with the hammer un-cocked. Just learn to fire the first shot in DA, and the rest in SA.
     
  22. JessPeyton

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    Thanks guys. :)
     
  23. kolob10

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    Sig

    I have a 220 and a 229 and would never consider to carry cocked. Enjoy the design of the Sigs and carry hammer down in double action mode only. Anyone who carries a Sig cocked is just waiting for a disaster. Good Shooting.
     
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    He can do anything he is willing to take responsibility for, but he really should start with a responsible education on his chosen topic!!!!!
     
  25. Coronach

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    Yeah, to rehash:

    NO!

    There's nothing wrong with carrying a cocked single-action, but the gun MUST have a manual safety, or have enough pull-weight to make it safe (a la Glocks and M&Ps, which are not really SAOs, but that's another thread). Carrying a gun designed for DA/SA in SA mode with no manual safety is a recipe for a trip to the ER and an interesting conversation with the officer called out to investigate the incident.

    Mike
     
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