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Can I get the FBI to destroy my file?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by PeteRR, Apr 9, 2007.

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  1. PeteRR

    PeteRR Member

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    Because I lived in NJ and wanted to own a firearm, I've been fingerprinted 3 separate times in my life and each time they were submitted to the Feds to do a full background check on me. Now that I've moved out of Jersey, and I've never been charged or arrested for any crime, what are the chances I can get Melvin Purvis' finest to destroy my file?
     
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    The proverbial snowball in Hell.
     
  3. nemoaz

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    ASFAIK, your prints aren't "on file" with the FBI. Numerous print cards are submitted to the FBI, latent prints, alien application or administrative detentions, employment matters, background checks etc, but only "arrest" or "conviction" cards are catalogued and assigned an FBI#.

    Sleep tight and don't worry about. You aren't committing crimes anyway, are you?

    NJ is more of a concern than the feds IMO. If anyone has retained the prints, it's them.
     
  4. PeteRR

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    But in order to run a background check wouldn't they had to have digitized them? And doesn't that mean they are in the system with my name attached?

    As for committing crimes, I'm still young enough to change careers. :p
     
  5. General Geoff

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    It'd be easier to change your prints. Heat up a skillet on your stovetop by setting the burner to High. Place both hands on the skillet, taking care to make sure your fingertips and thumbtips press firmly against the metal where the prints are. Hold for 20 seconds. Voila, you have now permanently changed your fingerprints.


    Keep in mind, though, this process is exceedingly painful.



    edit; take this advice with a grain of salt too, because I haven't personally tried it. I'm doing a bit of research right now to see if it actually works. :D



    edit again; it looks like it's a bit harder to do than I thought, but not impossible. Here's a step-by-step how-to:
    http://www.totse.com/en/bad_ideas/scams_and_rip_offs/prints.html
     
  6. Rustynuts

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    When you get a record expunged, does the FBI have to delete it's copy too, or just the State & Locals?
     
  7. Lone_Gunman

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    I don't believe the government ever destroys information intentionally. If you submitted your fingerprints, I would assume you are now part of the system.
     
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    Ever see the movie Seven? Think he cut the pads of his fingers off every year or so no?
     
  10. LAR-15

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    Why does the FBI need your fingerprints?
     
  11. PeteRR

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    NJ fingerprints you as part of their process to issue a NJ Firearms I.D. card. Without one you can't buy a new firearm.
     
  12. DDrake

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    They do if the information can be seen as harmful to you, and false. For example, if you been wrongly accused of something horrible (like rape) and there is an arrest warrent on file, you can get it destoryed. The reason is because a 3rd party could find it, and it could threaten your ability to get a job.





    As we all know, the more "secret" and "secure" information is in the USA, the more people know about it.
     
  13. EricTheBarbarian

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    they might tell you they dont keep them but im sure they do, just like they dont register guns but still magically trace them to people. no chance of getting them destroyed whether they tell you they did or not. the only time they dont keep paperwork is when you need them to have something. theyll loose it everytime then.
     
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    Doubtful but, I'll bet it would be easy to get them to destroy your house and life.
     
  15. Tokugawa

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    I will tell you this- I have broken my leg and seen the bones sticking out. I have had concussions, broken pelvis, crushed vertebra , and third degree burns on my face. etc etc- the above is to show I have a standard of comparison
    YOU DO NOT want to cut off your finger pads- trust me, it REALLY hurts! And no, it was not on purpose! :)
     
  16. Trebor

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    You can file a FOIA request to get a copy of your FBI file, if any, to see if they actually have a "file" on you. Don't be surprised if the search comes back negative. It's likely they just ran your prints through comparision, reported the results, and then deleted the info.

    Run the FOIA request and see what comes back. If they did retain any info or create a file, you'd have to show that it was illegal for them to do so in order to get them to destroy it. Not likely to happen.
     
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    It was my understanding when working as a state patrol dispatcher that the FBI maintains three separate fingerprint indices (indexes): criminal, military and civil. Criminal and military are pretty obvious. Civil includes everything from resident aliens to civilian security clearance holders to soccer coaches to school bus drivers to all law enforcement officers... and everyone in between. To include CCW applicants.

    AFAIK, the FBI does not conduct "background investigations" for state-issued CCWs. The purpose of the fingerprints is for identity confirmation, to make sure you're not some wanted serial killer or somesuch. The issuing agency, or a state-level agency, does the BI based on the confirmed identity. Criminal records are filed by name and place/date of birth, not by fingerprints.
     
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    Some words are always chilling.:D
     
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  20. ArfinGreebly

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    Crimes?

    You only THINK you're not committing crimes.

    Once we figure out what new rules will make you into a criminal, we'll fix that for you.
     
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    don't count on it
     
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    after reading all these posts, and from what i have always thought, from being fingerprinted threw out the years (not criminally) but i always thought they put them on file and you are part of a HUGE national data base with every one else including criminals. (maybe i watch to much NCIS and crime shows with my wife lol)
     
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    be careful what information you use from that site. None of it is fact or error checked. Burning off your fingerprints is a bad idea anyway (har de har har).
     
  24. Frog48

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    Good luck with that. Once you're in the system, you're never getting out. Heck, in TX you gotta scan your fingerprints to get a drivers license.
     
  25. Glockfan.45

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    TOTSE = Temple Of The Screaming Electron (I dont trust people who capitalize the words of and the BTW). If you think books like the "Anarchist Cook Book" and others are bunk then this site will provide you with hours of laughter. Having worked in EOD I can tell you that 98.9% of the "explosives mixtures" on this site are bunk and are likely to get you killed. The rest of is non-sense cooked up by 14 year olds with a future in car washing, and burger flipping such as "how to get revenge on your teacher", or "fun pranks to pull in public restrooms". Do not take to heart anything you read there. You cannot burn off your fingerprints, they will grow back. If you feel inclined to try burning or cutting them off please do the same to your testicles as well so that your seed will not infect future generations. We already have all the idiots the world needs.

    :rant off:

    The F.B.I will not destroy your prints upon request. Once you are in their searchable database you are there forever.
     
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