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Can I ship shotgun receiver at USPS?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by duns, Oct 4, 2011.

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  1. duns

    duns Member

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    I've searched for hours and can't find answer to this question. I want to send a shotgun receiver to the manufacturer for repair. I'm not an FFL. I know I can ship a shotgun at USPS but I am only sending the receiver -- is the receiver on its own still considered a shotgun (therefore mailable) or does it fall into some other (not mailable) category?
     
  2. rcmodel

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    The part with the serial number on it is the "Gun" in the eyes of the law.
    And the USPS too as far as I know.

    rc
     
  3. duns

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    Agreed, but what kind of gun is it when only the receiver is present? Is it still a shotgun and mailable at USPS or another type of gun and not mailable?
     
  4. Chawbaccer

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    It would be considered a long gun. Just put it in a box and mail it, insurance is up to you, don't mark the box as to contents. You don't need any license to send the gun to the manufactur nor will you have to go thru a licensed dealer to have it returned to you.
     
  5. oneounceload

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    It is considered a shotgun and mailable via USPS. Use the priority box and insure it for what it is worth
     
  6. armoredman

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    Short answer, yes.
     
  7. NavyLCDR

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    Ummm..... respectfully.... there were two questions asked:

    1. is the receiver on its own still considered a shotgun (therefore mailable)
    2. or does it fall into some other (not mailable) category

    I believe you probably meant:

    1. Yes
    2. No

    :D
     
  8. dogtown tom

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    USPS regulations only allow licensed dealers, manufacturers and in certain circumstances LEO to mail anything other than rifles and shotguns.

    ATF regulations classify a firearm receiver or frame as an "Other firearm"....therefore NOT mailable except by a licensed dealer.

    Both ATF & USPS regulations are in effect when shipping or mailing firearms.

    http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm#1198527

    Nope.
    Doing the above is a felony.
    (read the regs)

    Nope again.
    It's a firearm receiver....not a shotgun and not mailable.


    Short answer, felony.


    You would be wrong.
     
  9. Virginian

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    Well, all that is wonderful, but my local USPS considers a shotgun receiver a shotgun.
     
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    Really?
    Good luck with that.
     
  11. duns

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    I'm going to assume that dogtown_tom is correct therefore I can't send the receiver by USPS. Am I correct in thinking I can send the receiver by UPS or Fedex but it will need to go overnight air?
     
  12. NavyLCDR

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    or, you could do as the postal regulations suggest and call your local ATF office and ask them. Or, leave the shoulder stock attached to it.
     
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  13. dogtown tom

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    Don't do this.
    Verbal "advice" from ATF or any government agency is worth the paper its printed on. A "knowledgeable" ATF IOI will simply refer you to the written documentation.

    If you need proof, get it in writing.

    Do this.
    Makes it pretty clear that it is/was/will be a shotgun.
     
  14. Mark8252

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    What Chawbaccer said BINGO

    What Chawbaccer said. I have done so many times. Make an effort to not make it obvious its a gun. Not because its illegal to ship... because someone somewhere will steal it. Insure it.

    :):):):)
     
  15. duns

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    Leaving the shoulder stock attached does not make clear that it is not a short-barreled shotgun and therefore restricted.
     
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    From what I've read here, it may well be illegal to ship. I'm not going to risk it if there is any doubt about the legality. (BTW, the insurance would surely be null and void if it was an illegal shipment.)
     
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    I was just researching on the FedEx website for info on shipping firearms. Here are their rules:

    Firearms

    Carrier will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:
    Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S.or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
    Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).
    Carrier cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D.
    Upon presenting the goods for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to Carrier is required to notify Carrier that the shipment contains a firearm. The outside of the package(s) must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package(s) contains a firearm.
    The shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable law.
    The shipper and recipient are required to comply with all applicable government regulations and laws, including those pertaining to labeling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can provide assistance.
    Carrier will transport small-arms ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance with local, state and federal law, and the Hazardous Materials section of this Service Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as hazardous materials. You agree not to ship loaded firearms or firearms with ammunition in the same package.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    There is no requirement to prove that a shotgun is a short barreled shotgun.
    Short barreled shotguns are regulated by the National Firearms Act.
    Whether the barrel is included or not does not change the fact that an NFA firearm IS STILL an NFA firearm.

    If you are not mailing a short barreled shotgun you don't need to be concerned with it.
     
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    FFLs sell stripped receivers every day, all day long without them being NFA regulated items. If we follow down this track of your theory, then every person who possess any receiver without a barrel attached would be required to pay the tax stamp and register the receiver as an NFA firearm to be legal.

    That is simply not the case.
     
  20. duns

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    Let me see if I've got this right. A shotgun receiver on its own would be ATF classed as "other firearm" and restricted at USPS but a receiver with stock attached would be a "shotgun" and therefore mailable at USPS?
     
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    yup.:D

    BTW.....firearms such as the Mossberg Persuader ( a firearm having a pistol grip that expels a shotgun shell) are also classified as "Other Firearms" and are not mailable. They cannot be classified as shotguns because ancient Federal law defined shotgun as a firearm fired from the shoulder.

    To purchase a PGO shotgun from a licensed dealer, the buyer must be 21 or older. While you can buy rifles or shotguns at 18, handguns & other firearms are only transferrable to 21 and up.
     
  22. NavyLCDR

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    In addition... you're going to love this, duns....

    An FFL can sell a Persuader shotgun with the shoulder stock attached to an 18 year old. They can sell it to an out-of-state resident (meeting the laws of both states). Because with a shoulder stock installed it is a shotgun. They can sell a pistol grip to a shotgun, not attached to the shotgun, to an 18 year old or out-of-state resident because it is simply an accessory and not any kind of firearm.

    However, even though they can sell the shotgun AND the pistol grip to an 18 year old as separate pieces, once the shoulder stock is removed and the pistol grip is attached, now we have an "other firearm" that the FFL can only sell to someone 21 or over and resident of the same state.
     
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    Don't have to make sense ... it's da law!
     
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    Be careful out there.
     
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